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New PIP changes and this B of a government.

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Sploshed · 10/05/2024 14:42

Good afternoon all, what a wonderful day..

So these new changes due to come into effect in a few months, I have been told they haven't passed law...rishi's government will be out next GE in a few months so this may never even take off, but its also worth noting from what I've seen that the changes are NOT for current PIP claimants who are in the "Severe" or "worst" category claimers, it seems to be only for new applicants and those currently claiming whose conditions are in the "Mild" category.

This government wants to "Save money" and by doing this is very questionable more so when we are spending billions on waste projects...

I am a conservative but cant stand these lot, Can anyone add factual info or correct me on any of this please?

Thanks in advance.

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EmmaPeele · 02/07/2024 18:21

@Donmac0131 What's worrying me is that my dh currently gets standard daily rate PIP and because of that I get carer's allowance. I wonder if that's going to change if he suddenly falls into the "mild" category? Will people classed as mild still be eligible to have someone care for them? To be honest, he should have really received enhanced (in my opinion) as he's under the community mental health team and has to have a support worker, luckily provided by the local council, or myself accompanying him in order to leave the house, but I've never dared argue with them, we've just gratefully accepted whatever he's been awarded. I'll still have to be his full time carer but it will hit us hard if my carer's allowance stops!

Elleherd · 02/07/2024 18:28

Donmac0131 · 02/07/2024 17:35

People are wondering if they are in the mild or severe category of pip, it's a safe bet if you receive the enhanced rate of pip for both categories then you will be classed as in the severe group, however if you only receive the basic amount in one or both categories it's also a safe bet that the DWP will place you in the mild category. It's totally insane but unfortunately that's how the bean counters at the DWP think.

Sorry to be pedantic here but there aren't PIP categories of 'Mild' and 'Severe,' much as politicians wish there were.
The categories of Personal Independence Payment are: 'Standard' and 'Enhanced' and I think it may be quite important to use those descriptors, and avoid language creep.

The terms 'mild, moderate or severe' (TTBOMK( only come into play with DWP asking GP's and other medical professionals to fill out medical reports describing their opinions of the level of particular conditions that their patients have stated they suffer from.
It is one of the reasons GP's dislike completing these forms as they recognize the dangers it can create for everyone, including them, especially if the task is, as allowed, delegated to a practice nurse, and in particular when the GP rarely sees the patient from one year to the next as they are mainly seen in hospital or specialist clinics.

Donmac0131 · 02/07/2024 18:40

I know there's not severe or mild categories in pip, however that would not dissuade the DWP from thinking along those lines and putting people into those categories depending on whether they are on enhanced rates or basic rate. It's obvious that if you are classed as needing the extra help and therefore the enhanced rate the DWP would class you as in the severe category,while they would more than likely say the people on the basic rate and possibly only receive the daily living amount would be in the mild category. As you say those categories don't exist now but could if the DWP got it's own way

Elleherd · 02/07/2024 19:17

@Donmac0131 Totally agree and think it's why it's important disabled people don't do any of the work for them, by normalizing concepts and accepting things as if they were inevitable, through our language choices.

So I'm suggesting we don't slip into using 'mild' or ' basic' instead of Standard rate and Enhanced rate.

I've watched it happen with the term 'High Functioning' - once a very specific medical descriptor of a high level of IQ in (mainly) ASD be co -opted by schools then parents into: 'copes well enough with ASD to not need that much help.' Worked perfectly in turning the ring fenced educational funding pot into a non existent funding pot.

This one with EHCP's: Diagnosed SPLD - Social Pragmatic Learning Disorder- a low incidence condition attracting specific funding and at the sharp end, requiring specialist help and provision - being re-described by LEA's as SpLD - Specific Learning Difficulty - a high incidence condition covered by general school budgets and not requiring specialist help or provision.

Language change softens people up for other changes imo...

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