New PIP changes and this B of a government.

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Good afternoon all, what a wonderful day..

So these new changes due to come into effect in a few months, I have been told they haven't passed law...rishi's government will be out next GE in a few months so this may never even take off, but its also worth noting from what I've seen that the changes are NOT for current PIP claimants who are in the "Severe" or "worst" category claimers, it seems to be only for new applicants and those currently claiming whose conditions are in the "Mild" category.

This government wants to "Save money" and by doing this is very questionable more so when we are spending billions on waste projects...

I am a conservative but cant stand these lot, Can anyone add factual info or correct me on any of this please?

Thanks in advance.

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Yes!

Do people expect to get PIP forever for a period of anxiety / depression? I think the explosion in people claiming PIP for mental health and neurodiversity is why people with serious physical disabilities are having to jump through so many hoops to get the benefits they need to function.

I know people with serious physical conditions (and tonnes of medical evidence) who got turned down for PIP while people with largely self reported mental health conditions got it. The balance has gone badly wrong.

I do not think that is necessarily true@BurnerName1 . That people with physical disabilities are having to jump through hoops, due to a rise in claimants for mental health etc. Thinking like that, just fosters unhealthy attitudes towards other people. People are having to jump through hoops, due to the disdainful attitude of this Government, towards people living with disabilities, physical, and mental.

all the mumsnetters who say getting PIP is easy

Yes, it really fucks me off that those duplicitous made-up threads/posts about 'neighbours' and 'sisters' who have big cars, four kids, big houses, all paid for with disability benefits for 'fake illnesses', are left to stand for so long. Many never get deleted at all.

I'm so glad the Observer did this report. The Mail isn't even the only culprit - other media have been reprinting the clearly propagandist Tory agenda without any critical analysis, just for the clicks.

But like I said upthread, the new PIP proposals won't see the light of day. Labour will be in power this year. It's worth Labour seeing the strength of objections, though, and reports like the one in the Observer, in case they have their own crap ideas. I might send the link to my Labour MP.

I understand your thinking but unfortunately I think any government would have to realise that the PIP bill is becoming enormous due to the massive increase in claimants. It makes sense to target increased mental health support at those who need it. Ditto targeting funding at better employment and retraining options.

Absolutely this. And I speak as someone who has had severe anxiety and depression in the past.

Labour absolutely do have their own crap ideas.

Obviously you do not have to answer, but did you claim benefits during this time, and were you able to access help for your MH?

I don't think we need to worry about these Tory proposals too much - as others have said it's just a green paper currently.
I do think that whatever party take power there will be changes.
The current situation and projected bill for PIP in the future is completely unsustainable.

I did, for about six months I received what I think was called incapacity benefit then. I was in an inpatient in an NHS hospital for a while ) and then had outpatient follow up. Got better when I started to get back to working and living a life again.

Absolutely agree with you on this and I work in the area of benefits and assist a lot of people to claim PIP.
I have also had a lot of anxiety and depression myself over the years, a lot of traumatic life events to cope with as have most of the people I work with and none of us would think to claim PIP. We work we support each other. PIP for MH conditions should be for the most serious MH conditions although I guess the problem is how you define that.

It is good that you were able to get help, and overcome your difficulties@Julen7 There must be a safety net for people, when unwell, otherwise we will just go backwards as a Society, as we know it.

@LadyKenya Absolutely.agree. I think posters are talking about people being on benefits for MH for long periods of time - years in some cases - and this is where the problem lies.

Why do think that increase of MH claiments is responsible for those with physical disabilities having to 'jump through hoops'?

There is no evidence. It's all just a choice by the government.

OP you voted Tory and now they’re coming for you too.

Good morning to you all.

Thank you very much for the replies, You have some very valid points! them being disgusted with tories for suggesting "Vouchers" instead of money to changing my political support for them.

Vouchers are NOT acceptable to almost all on PIP! this is a totally disgusting and highly disrespectful suggestion from rishi sunak! this alone will turn almost all PIP claimants against him at next GE so that's millions of voters he has just lost for such a stupid thing to want to do, rishi and the ilk's seem to be first class at haemorraging support, maybe he needs to be replaced before the GE to get a little bit of support back, IF he got away with replacing vouchers instead of monitised support for PIP claims it would cause absolute mayhem for millions of ultra vulnerable people who need the money to try and live everyday!, its a total disgraceful move by the tories more so when I think we should stop spending on other subjects which are an everyday story in the news.

As I stated I am a "Conservative" I'm not snobby I come from North Yorkshire but now live in a very quaint town that is conservative, I don't wholeheartedly dislike the Labour party? they have some very good ideas like taking back the Railways and energy supplies from private companies (Nationalisation) who only offer substandard service and they are all about filling their shareholders pockets, for example. some years ago my wife and I jumped on a train from Hull to Grantham, we got almost to Doncaster before the ticket collector got to us to ask for our tickets, as we had made the decision last minute and the fact when we bolted to the train station the train was leaving in 5 minutes (Queues at ticket office) so we knew we could get our tickets on the train, we where shocked that the ticket collector was asking £160 each way for each of us? it would have been far cheaper getting a taxi..

£640 all round is NOT in any means a good service or acceptable, whilst the trains got us there on time something is wrong and for reasons like this that I think its time we nationalised the railways, so the energy companies are a right mess and not offering a good tariff, could you imagine if the energy companies didn't own the powerstations etc and they where all nationalised when the prices went up...every person reading this would have been saving £100's of pounds a year, so I like these policies from labour but their view on other issues is too much for me to vote for any of these main three.

Thank you all once again.

Ok Op. Anyway you see what is likely to happen if the Conservatives stay in power. It is up to people to vote with their conscience.

I’m sure the voucher system is a lucrative contract in waiting.

They can train people all they like using their preferred providers, but what is the outcome if workplaces continue to discriminate and do not provide secure employment?

Ultimately many disabled people choose to work for themselves, as do many non-disabled people for all sorts of reasons.

People in these groups may already be at a disadvantage from discrimination in education - if they are provided for at all leading to poor life outcomes with attendant mental health issues.

it’s a bit rich further pulling away what little support they get.

Ultimately many disabled people choose to work for themselves, as do many non-disabled people for all sorts of reasons.

Some physically disabled people don't have a choice if we want to work.
I can get myself shortlisted easily, until they see me, every time.
Self employed, the same would be employers will sub contract me.

Its not 'coming into effect in a few months' it's a green paper which is the earliest stage of a review.
There was similar scaremongering when DLA was changed to PIP.
PIP does need to be reviewed as it doesn't really meet the needs of disabled people or society as a whole & is becoming unsustainable. The process will take years rather than months.

Even if there are drastic changes it will be unlikely to affect people's current awards & there would be a gradual migration to the new benefit as peoples awards reach the end.

That is sad.

People are wondering if they are in the mild or severe category of pip, it's a safe bet if you receive the enhanced rate of pip for both categories then you will be classed as in the severe group, however if you only receive the basic amount in one or both categories it's also a safe bet that the DWP will place you in the mild category. It's totally insane but unfortunately that's how the bean counters at the DWP think.