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What has happened in Scotland?

37 replies

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:26

Humza Yousaf has resigned today.

It seems very sudden - I can’t understand what exactly has happened.

I know some of his policies were unpopular, and I know he was considered the ‘continuity candidate’ for Sturgeon (who is I assume now disgraced re: husbands misuse of party funds?)

Anyone able to summarise the facts for
me? I can’t make head nor tail of the articles I’m reading.

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radishesare · 29/04/2024 12:35

he wanted to carry on in the same vein
as Sturgeon and didn't have any new policies because he basically believed Nicola's manifesto. He doesn't know what a woman is. Two ousted First Ministers who haven't a clue what a woman is and in the thrall of pressure groups/cults.
Good riddance!

quizzys · 29/04/2024 12:37

Something appears to have precipitated this sudden resignation though, and like OP I'm not sure what.

Chrysanthemum5 · 29/04/2024 12:39

He was due to face a vote of no confidence and I suspect he knew he would struggle to win that. How he expected dumping the greens (and I think they are bat shit and incompetent so I'm glad they are out of power) would work? They were clearly going to vote against him

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MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:40

quizzys · 29/04/2024 12:37

Something appears to have precipitated this sudden resignation though, and like OP I'm not sure what.

Yes I can see why some of his policies (increased tax rates, position on gender/sex, hate speech laws etc) were unpopular with people.

But I can’t see any direct link between that and him quitting today.

I know he stopped their agreement with the Greens. But I’m not sure why or what that was, or why it’s so important he had to go.

Two years until their next elections. All of the governments in the UK and devolved nations seem to have failed! Actually not the Welsh, I think they’re still clinging on.

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Warmfeet · 29/04/2024 12:41

It’s because the Greens denied the results of the Cass report plus weren’t happy about the SNP reducing Net Zero targets. Theyy threatened to pull out of the agreement with the SNP, so instead Humza pulled out instead. As the numbers no longer gave the SNP a majority, a VONC was called against Humza, and as he’s pissed off every other political party he knew he couldn’t win it.

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:41

Chrysanthemum5 · 29/04/2024 12:39

He was due to face a vote of no confidence and I suspect he knew he would struggle to win that. How he expected dumping the greens (and I think they are bat shit and incompetent so I'm glad they are out of power) would work? They were clearly going to vote against him

Why was he facing a vote of no confidence? Who asked for that?

Why did he dump the Greens?

Was the assumption a lot of the SNP would vote against him too?

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Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:42

The SNP had an agreement with the Greens to allow them a majority government. Humza broke that agreement last week, leaving him leading a minority gov. As a result he was about to face a vote of no confidence. He just needed 1 opposition member to support him, which could only have been Ash Reagan - he couldn't get agreement with her. He had no choice but to resign before he was pushed. Man is an arse.

quizzys · 29/04/2024 12:42

OK, so who's the next leader of SNP to be now? That's the important bit!

kelpie9 · 29/04/2024 12:42

He has decided to go before he was pushed. Hope they decide to hold an election and get rid of the SNP for good.

Warmfeet · 29/04/2024 12:42

The Greens are a shitshow but now they’re trying to offer to come back to the SNP if the new FM goes along with Green policies, so we’ll be back in the same old mess but a new face at the top.

Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:43

He dumped the Greens so he could renage on the climate change promises.

Freysimo · 29/04/2024 12:43

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:40

Yes I can see why some of his policies (increased tax rates, position on gender/sex, hate speech laws etc) were unpopular with people.

But I can’t see any direct link between that and him quitting today.

I know he stopped their agreement with the Greens. But I’m not sure why or what that was, or why it’s so important he had to go.

Two years until their next elections. All of the governments in the UK and devolved nations seem to have failed! Actually not the Welsh, I think they’re still clinging on.

Welsh Labour FM Vaughan Gething is under pressure for taking a 'donation' of £200k from a company convicted of environmental offences. He's widely disliked here.

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:44

Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:42

The SNP had an agreement with the Greens to allow them a majority government. Humza broke that agreement last week, leaving him leading a minority gov. As a result he was about to face a vote of no confidence. He just needed 1 opposition member to support him, which could only have been Ash Reagan - he couldn't get agreement with her. He had no choice but to resign before he was pushed. Man is an arse.

And the break with the greens was that he abandoned net zero targets?

Why would it have to be Ash Reagan? Was she the one who had to resign and was basically persona non grata in the SNP front bench due to her views on the GRC?

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Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:44

And the fact that he has an exceptionally dodgy brother in law can't have helped

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:45

Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:43

He dumped the Greens so he could renage on the climate change promises.

And why has this then led to a no confidence motion?

Was this not a predictable that a no confidence motion would be brought? All seems to have happened very quickly.

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Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:46

There's no way he'd be supported by anyone in the other opposition parties.

Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:47

This could well be the end of SNP government.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 29/04/2024 12:48

He wasn't very competent in the first place and was elected as Sturgeon's stoodge.

He has fallen out with his coalition partners (The Greens)

Facing a no-confidence vote he needed the support of the either the Greens (who told him to eff off) or Ash Regan, former rival to defected to ALBA who he was then very rude to. She presented demands his fellow SNP MSPs weren't willing to meet.

So he has resigned before he was further humiliated.

SNP will now either coronate Kate Forbes or John Swinney or have several weeks of a bun fight to replace him.

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:49

Auntieobem · 29/04/2024 12:47

This could well be the end of SNP government.

My understanding is there was due to be two votes on Wednesday - one about him, and one about the government.

So is it still possible on Wednesday there is a vote of no confidence in the government and an election is called?

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Misthios · 29/04/2024 12:49

Humza Useless's wee pals in the Greens have decided they don't want to be pals any more so have thrown their toys out of the pram.

We might get a new first minister but we won't be getting a new parliament more's the pity.

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:50

Freysimo · 29/04/2024 12:43

Welsh Labour FM Vaughan Gething is under pressure for taking a 'donation' of £200k from a company convicted of environmental offences. He's widely disliked here.

I didn’t even know his name!

Another leader that has emerged as a result of someone else resigning, with no input from the electorate?

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MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 29/04/2024 12:51

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:41

Why was he facing a vote of no confidence? Who asked for that?

Why did he dump the Greens?

Was the assumption a lot of the SNP would vote against him too?

Why was he facing a vote of no confidence? Who asked for that?

Two votes tabled for this week one from Labour and one from the Tories.

Why did he dump the Greens?

He dumped them first before they could dump him. (Greens were voting on whether to remain in government because of cancelled environmental targets and the Cass report)

Was the assumption a lot of the SNP would vote against him too?

The SNP would vote for him but they don't have a majority and need the support of either the Greens or ALBA.

Misthios · 29/04/2024 12:52

The SNP members have no choice about how to vote - they have to toe the party line or be chucked out of the party. I hope the vote of no confidence in the government does happen, we need a new election to get rid of this shower of absolute chancers and the sooner that happens the better.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 29/04/2024 12:53

In theory there could be an election but parliament would have to vote for one and there's no gaurantee they would.

The SNP will likely get some time to try and get their act together first.

I hope not

MidnightPatrol · 29/04/2024 12:53

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 29/04/2024 12:51

Why was he facing a vote of no confidence? Who asked for that?

Two votes tabled for this week one from Labour and one from the Tories.

Why did he dump the Greens?

He dumped them first before they could dump him. (Greens were voting on whether to remain in government because of cancelled environmental targets and the Cass report)

Was the assumption a lot of the SNP would vote against him too?

The SNP would vote for him but they don't have a majority and need the support of either the Greens or ALBA.

Thank you.

So the Greens plan was… to make them change their mind, as they need them to have enough power to do anything?

Potentially seems quite ‘cutting your nose off to spite your face’ for the Greens, given they will now have very limited influence from the outside?

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