How do you pronounce....

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Latte?

Do you say LAT-tay? Or LAR-tay?

Just curious.

This was discussed at length recently

Is it mocha or mokka? http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4967779-is-it-mocha-or-mokka

Is it more like Luh-tay, with a shorter vowel sound than LAT-tay?

I'm harking back to the PASTA/PARSTA debate on a thread here a few months ago.
Americans seemed to hate the PASSTA pronunciation while Brits were scornful about the long A and added R sound in how our American cousins say it.
Many Italians seem to say, PUSTA or PUHSTA, with the U sound very short and a bit breathy. So, similarly LUH-TAY?
(opinion was strongly divided on that earlier one, AFAICR!)

No it isn't. The Italian 'a' in latte is neither totally like in 'lat' nor like in 'lah'/'lar'. It's somewhere in between those sounds. So neither is more correct than the other.

Yes, definitely. It's a bit like when people who don't speak Welsh argue about whether 'LL' should be pronounced like an English 'CL' or 'FL' - e.g. Clandeilo or Flandeilo; the answer is neither, because it's not an English sound!

Would it get messy if I threw lasagne into the room here...?

The A in Italian is more in the direction of the 'A' in Pat, so it's never Lar. Same for Pasta and Lasagna. I'm from the North England ( but have lived in Italy for half my life) so my A is very open and I would never put the 'R' is Laugh, grass, bath etc.

In the first 23 seconds of this video the Italian guy says Lasagna and Latte so you can hear how to say it.

P.S Don't come to Italy and order a Latte, you'll get a glass of Milk!!

On the subject of the letter 'A' I had a conversation last night with my Italian in laws about the pronunciation of the colour 'black' in Italy, they all say 'Bleck' they don't believe me that the A is also like that in 'Pat'!

I always remember being a student in London and ordering a "laaa-ayy" with my geordie accent in Starbucks and having to repeat myself about 4 times before the server said in a really posh voice "oh you mean a LARRRRR-TAY"

Laa Tay

in the first 25 seconds you can hear Latte & Lasagna from an Italian guy
( ignore the terrible cooking, he's commenting on!)

"Coffee" 😂
(please note I am not a coffee drinker. I was in Costa the other day and my husband wanted a coffee. I asked what type. He said cappuccino. I replied "ooh la la a capp-a -cheeeen-eeee-oh" 😂)

As long as you clean it all up afterwards. 🚿

Laa- tey but obviously I'm writing this phonetically on my Scottish accent (where an r always has an rrrr sound

I thought it would be fairly clear that was tongue in cheek, given I'm Scottish, but clearly not.

However, as others have already pointed out, using ar as a way of indicating an a is a long vowel is actually not universal across the English-speaking world. It's not usual in North America.

I knew what you meant. And I hold to the view that rhotic accents are more correct in their pronunciation of ‘r’. I cannot abide accents where ‘drawer’ and ‘draw’ are homonyms.

👍🏼 thank you.

I knew what you meant. And I hold to the view that rhotic accents are more correct in their pronunciation of ‘r’. I cannot abide accents where ‘drawer’ and ‘draw’ are homonyms.

How intolerant and incorrect of you. There are no 'correct' accents. I can't imagine not being able to abide an accent. I'm a non-rhotic English speaker (and teach 3 other languages) and I don't speak an incorrect form of English, thank you very much. Nor do I consider rhotic English less correct.

This. 100%
Also British but have lived in Italy more than half my life.
Acoustically, there is a very very small difference between the Italian "a" vowel, and the English "a" of "cat" etc. I think to truly hear that difference you'd need to be totally bilingual. My daughter is, but I'm not.
Also smiling at the "bleck" and "ket" thing. I think that stems from Italians seeing the phonetic symbol for the short "a" of "black" and "cat" and assuming it's a sort of a+e combo. If I had a euro for every time I've said "it's the same as the Italian "a"" I'd be a rich woman indeed. 😂

Deal with it. People are remarkably uninformed on here and a significant number appear to feel that only other people have ‘accents’. The intrusive ‘r’ in ‘Africa and India’ and ‘drawing’ is also horrible.

Closest I can get is, I think, lah tey totally aware it's incorrect, but it's the most common pronunciation around here.

its just too affected to pronounce it properly

People on here tend not to be prescriptivist linguists. Thankfully.

Neither David Crystal or Peter Roach have any problems with Linking R (as it's generally known these days, in order to move away from the outdated and irrelevant prescriptivist viewpoints) and so I venture neither should we. It makes us look a little bit like we don't know as much about language as we think we do.

LAT tay

Deal with it. People are remarkably uninformed on here and a significant number appear to feel that only other people have ‘accents’. The intrusive ‘r’ in ‘Africa and India’ and ‘drawing’ is also horrible.

This seems a little contradictory. You are criticising as 'uninformed' people who think their way of speaking is normal (and presumably therefore 'correct') and everyone else's is an accent. Yet you yourself said rhotic is more correct. I'm not sure what you even mean by 'deal with it'. I'm dealing with things just fine, thanks. I just commented on your opinion and expressed my own, that's all.

I’m not a prescriptivist. I just have an aesthetic objection to intrusive rs. Swallowed terminal r is far worse than ‘th’ pronounced as ‘f’, also. Otherwise, knock yourself out.

People on here tend not to be prescriptivist linguists. Thankfully.

Neither David Crystal or Peter Roach have any problems with Linking R (as it's generally known these days, in order to move away from the outdated and irrelevant prescriptivist viewpoints) and so I venture neither should we. It makes us look a little bit like we don't know as much about language as we think we do.

Well quite.

A lot of English people put in an r to indicate it's a long vowel because they don't pronounce r after a vowel. As at least one other person has already pointed out, people who pronounce English properly (i.e. Scottish people, probably also the Irish, not sure about the Welsh) don't do this.

As it happens, I am Scottish.

What an odd coincidence that you think the way you speak is the way English should be spoken. Is everyone else in the entire world who speaks English doing it wrong? All 400 million of those who have English as a native language, minus 10 or so million in Scotland and Ireland? Is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that there is one proper English pronunciation of words.

I'm not English by the way, and I've no idea whether you'd think my way of pronouncing English was proper or not.

La - Tay