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CF allotment thief part 2: the Battle of Barbara and the Beansprouts

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YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 10:24

Hi all, sorry I didn’t get a chance to post the link to this in the last thread, but it filled up too quickly.

So, another update

DH and I sat and had a looooong talk last night. We poured over every option, the pro’s and cons and the best and worst case scenarios. We thought of every possible situation that could arise from each option and we made a decision this morning.

it was actually the best/worst case scenario talk that clinched it.
Best case scenario for selling it to her was we get a little bit of money. Worst case is we have no allotment and the house possibly devalues.

Best case scenario for if we shared the land is that she is a pleasant plot neighbour and isn’t bitter that we are on the land that used to be ‘hers’ and doesn’t try to boss us about. But worst case scenario is that she remains bitter and makes our lives hell, interferes and our allotment space becomes an unbearable place to be.

Best case scenario for if we keep it to ourselves is we have the enjoyment of a long awaited allotment, one that makes a massive difference to DH’s MH and our general life enjoyment. Worst case scenario is that we make a neighbour - who is smart enough to find another plot or use her own generous garden - cross.

We figured that the worst case scenarios for all 3 weren’t worth risking the absolute best case scenario could bring.

So we are kicking her off.

We discussed letting her wait some months before making her leave or until the end of the growing season around about the end of September. But that when you consider the weather, that would mean we wouldn’t truly be able to enjoy the allotment in good weather for a whole year. I know it can still be enjoyed in horrible weather but the thought of missing out on a whole entire summer of gardening, relaxing and recuperating just feels too long. She has also indicated she will fight us - well she can try and she won’t win so I’d rather the ‘fight’ was a short one not a long one

We went to the plot this morning (no Babs in sight!) and took a soil test, took pictures, used that app to mark the plots (thanks to PP for the tips), and measured it and took pictures of the measurements/readings. From what we can tell she has root veg, fruit and a little herb garden patch, all growing fairly well considering the time of year. We didn’t disturb anything

Going to call the home insurers today to see if we can get legal cover and reclaim costs from the previous owner so solicitors can write her a letter - if not we will just instruct our current solicitors and make the reclaim too. I know we could do a letter ourselves but I really think a legal middle man would be worth the money. We will take solicitors advice on how much notice to give her - but it won’t be long notice. No point, may as well rip the plaster off now. We won’t be offering to buy the shed as I don’t want to be beholden to Barbara or have her make out to others that we stole the shed. We want a clean slate, to pick our own items.

I do feel bad that Barbara will be losing something that is so dear to her and that her ‘sanctuary’ will be taken away but the bottom line is it does not belong to her and she has known this for 10 years. She could have spent that 10 years, or even just the nine months since the house went on the market, to find another sanctuary. We are being selfish, we have been through unimaginable struggles and it’s time to just live for ourselves not a random neighbour. If that makes us a pariah in the community I can take it.

DH also messaged our police officer friend of ours this morning who said if the time comes to bin her stuff and dismantle the shed to call 101 and tell them “We are doing this, it’s our property and we will handle everything with care and bring it to her home” and then if she calls them saying we are stealing or damaging our property then we are one step ahead at least.

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liveforchocolate · 12/04/2024 16:39

YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 16:28

When we reclaim the plot I’m having a MN allotment party. Yorkshire MNers and beyond are invited 🤣

How far beyond?....I'd like to point out that there are some of us that are in the south of the country and are invested, and we might like to travel to Yorkshire for the party! I hear it is v lovely! (and of course, there may be some from abroad who might wish to attend!) 😂

chattyness · 12/04/2024 16:40

OP I think you're doing the right thing and in the right way, it's not up to you to placate or protect some stranger who is using your land as if it was their own. She's had months to sort this out and vacate while the the house was being sold & chose to ignore it & carry on regardless. I feel a bit sorry for her yes, but it's a case of hard luck, she's had 10 good years for free, now she needs find somewhere else or do something else, it's really not your concern. I hope you get your land back soon and enjoy tending every inch of it. Please come back and update us !

Matronic6 · 12/04/2024 16:40

Hope it is resolved quickly and smoothly for you OP

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BillStickersWillBeProsocuted · 12/04/2024 16:41

LakieLady · 12/04/2024 16:39

Lol, I work in welfare rights and seem to be the on-call service for friends, family and all their friends when anyone has a benefit issue.

I don't generally mind, and am usually happy to help, but at the end of a busy week it sometimes grates. But then I remember how often I pick builder BIL's brains about stuff that needs doing on the house, and mentally give myself a slap.

I work in IT support and feel your pain!

BusStopNumber3 · 12/04/2024 16:41

theholesinmyapologies · 12/04/2024 16:35

I also can't believe the number of posters that think OP should just hand over her land.

Hard no.

And I highly doubt any of them would give away their own gardens because someone else felt it would be therapeutic/beneficial for them to have it instead.

In a million years they wouldn’t! They’re all in the mould of poor grateful Barbara of course 😂

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/04/2024 16:43

YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 16:28

When we reclaim the plot I’m having a MN allotment party. Yorkshire MNers and beyond are invited 🤣

This is like horse field squattergate from ten years ago.

Lollybridge · 12/04/2024 16:43

I would try speaking to her directly one more time which may mean knocking on her door and if no joy go the solicitor route. It may be in the heat of the moment she was defensive and has calmed down now. No doubt she's been on the phone to her friend, the ex owner of your house. Hopefully, she's been put straight and will go quietly which will save you a lot of hassle. If she's still determined to fight then bring it on!

bluelavender · 12/04/2024 16:44

The person who everyone locally with strong views should be cross with is your seller. She could have altered her deeds and sold the land to Babs for the cost of the legal work + £1. She has left a very regrettable situation behind

Arconialiving · 12/04/2024 16:44

theholesinmyapologies · 12/04/2024 16:35

I also can't believe the number of posters that think OP should just hand over her land.

Hard no.

And I highly doubt any of them would give away their own gardens because someone else felt it would be therapeutic/beneficial for them to have it instead.

I know! This has astounded me too!

user33992020 · 12/04/2024 16:44

carerlookingtochangejob · 12/04/2024 16:25

They might. Or they might side with all the other neighbours the OP has had a run in with already.

So what if they do? you cant give away all your property "just in case" the neighbours get upset. Bloody hell.

Should I hand my neighbours my entire garden or gift them my car just to pre-empt them hating on me?

Anyone who carries out a campaign of hate simply because the OP wants to use land that SHE paid for is not right in the head and I wouldnt want to be involved with anyone with that frame of mind anyway. If these neighbours are so upset about it then THEY can gift babs their land cant they?- nothing preventing them doing that if it upsets them so much.

Lets see if they do.

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 12/04/2024 16:46

carerlookingtochangejob · 12/04/2024 16:04

Wow I've just read all your posts on both threads!

Personally I think it would be a bit cruel of you to kick this woman off the plot with no notice and halfway through the growing season! She will have a lot invested in it.
Why don't you give her notice now that you will be reclaiming the allotment from the end of the season and give her time and space to clear the site by the end of the year. That's what allotments societies do.

Sounds like you and your DH have enough on your plates right now. Leave it a season. Be reasonable and kind and it will probably win you more good will points in the long run. A bit of generosity and kindness goes a hell of a long way in small communities.

It’s not out of the blue. She’s had 9 months notice that the house, and land, had been sold. She’s chosen to ignore it, the bolshy cow.

WappityWabbit · 12/04/2024 16:46

QuintGotEatenInTheEnd · 12/04/2024 15:26

At what point during the sale did you get to see the deeds? This is usually post-completion.

At what point during the sale process did you become aware of the existence of the plot of land and garage?

You don't explicitly state when, but that you became aware of the plot's existence upon sight of the deeds. Did you make your offer on the house based on the sale of just the house?

It could be that the vendor thought if she didn't include the land as part of the sale particulars, then the sale price would reflect the house value only, and didn't actually deliberately mislead anyone. Maybe she thought she had a private arrangement witt Barbara, which meant the land would be excluded from the sale. She and Barbara may well have an unwritten contract whereby the vendor has gifted Barbara the land in exchange for 4lbs of carrots annually.

I think it's possible the resolution of this situation may not be straightforward, especially if vendor and Babs are still good friends.

Don’t be so ridiculous, there’s nothing remotely difficult about it.

Stella the seller signed a document witnessed by her solicitor agreeing to sell a property known as X with vacant possession. The entire property of X comprises a house and garden, an unattached garage and an additional plot of land.

No unwritten agreement between Barbara and Stella is ever going to trump that in court.🤦🏻‍♀️🤣🤣

YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 16:47

harriethoyle · 12/04/2024 15:53

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5048598-someone-threatened-my-allotment?reply=134487824

@surreygirl1987 @Doginthebed quick before the TAAT reporters have it taken down!

OMG 😂😂😂

@bigBarbara I love you for that

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AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 12/04/2024 16:48

longapple · 12/04/2024 16:09

but what if they had a really cosy setup and were half way through a series on your netflix and really liked the breakfast cereal you buy?
you can't say you'd seriously kick them out!!

No, let them have until the end of the year. Rental market is tight right now and they look comfy.

WappityWabbit · 12/04/2024 16:48

CormorantStrikesBack · 12/04/2024 16:43

This is like horse field squattergate from ten years ago.

Oo was that the “fuck you Chris and that horse” poster? I vaguely remember that one… 🤔

Buttons241 · 12/04/2024 16:50

Wow, this has kept me entertained all day! Please keep us updated OP!

Hohofortherobbers · 12/04/2024 16:52

Wow second thread! Will be following

ClaudiaWinklepanda · 12/04/2024 16:55

WappityWabbit · 12/04/2024 16:48

Oo was that the “fuck you Chris and that horse” poster? I vaguely remember that one… 🤔

Oh yes! What happened to the horse?

timenowplease · 12/04/2024 16:55

Honestly, Mumsnet is fucking mad sometimes. Do people think you can sell a bit of land without a solicitor getting involved, deeds getting changed and the Land Registry being informed?

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 12/04/2024 16:55

Thewolvesarerunningagain · 12/04/2024 16:32

I agree as well. Although my reasoning is a desperate and prurient need for updates. As well, obviously, as a concern for your quandary OP 😊

Terrible idea. This needs to be treated via letter for the avoidance of any doubt - and avoidance of aggro. Barbara could legally treat any knock on the door by OP as intimidation and harassment, and OP could find herself in trouble. Best to let the solicitor deal with it.

Noirdesir · 12/04/2024 16:58

timenowplease · 12/04/2024 16:55

Honestly, Mumsnet is fucking mad sometimes. Do people think you can sell a bit of land without a solicitor getting involved, deeds getting changed and the Land Registry being informed?

I'm married to Jason Momoa. All totes legal. I have his signature written on a beer coaster. Its proper official and everything.

😂

Onemoreterm · 12/04/2024 17:00

@carerlookingtochangejob not all allotment societies give you a full growing season to clear your stuff. If you fail it inspection and then don’t make progress within a given timeframe then you are out. Some societies might let people amble about for a season or two but others are very sharp if standards are not met.

But op owns that land and it is hers to take back. Barbara is squatting and needs to clear off and get onto a real allotment somewhere

HappiestSleeping · 12/04/2024 17:01

Noirdesir · 12/04/2024 16:58

I'm married to Jason Momoa. All totes legal. I have his signature written on a beer coaster. Its proper official and everything.

😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yogachick · 12/04/2024 17:03

@acrossthepond do you happen to have a link to the batshit’ give the tenant the house’ thread?

Americano75 · 12/04/2024 17:04

Noirdesir · 12/04/2024 16:58

I'm married to Jason Momoa. All totes legal. I have his signature written on a beer coaster. Its proper official and everything.

😂

Fuck off, I married him in my dreams in 2011 and I retain full rights over him. 😆

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