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CF allotment thief part 2: the Battle of Barbara and the Beansprouts

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YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 10:24

Hi all, sorry I didn’t get a chance to post the link to this in the last thread, but it filled up too quickly.

So, another update

DH and I sat and had a looooong talk last night. We poured over every option, the pro’s and cons and the best and worst case scenarios. We thought of every possible situation that could arise from each option and we made a decision this morning.

it was actually the best/worst case scenario talk that clinched it.
Best case scenario for selling it to her was we get a little bit of money. Worst case is we have no allotment and the house possibly devalues.

Best case scenario for if we shared the land is that she is a pleasant plot neighbour and isn’t bitter that we are on the land that used to be ‘hers’ and doesn’t try to boss us about. But worst case scenario is that she remains bitter and makes our lives hell, interferes and our allotment space becomes an unbearable place to be.

Best case scenario for if we keep it to ourselves is we have the enjoyment of a long awaited allotment, one that makes a massive difference to DH’s MH and our general life enjoyment. Worst case scenario is that we make a neighbour - who is smart enough to find another plot or use her own generous garden - cross.

We figured that the worst case scenarios for all 3 weren’t worth risking the absolute best case scenario could bring.

So we are kicking her off.

We discussed letting her wait some months before making her leave or until the end of the growing season around about the end of September. But that when you consider the weather, that would mean we wouldn’t truly be able to enjoy the allotment in good weather for a whole year. I know it can still be enjoyed in horrible weather but the thought of missing out on a whole entire summer of gardening, relaxing and recuperating just feels too long. She has also indicated she will fight us - well she can try and she won’t win so I’d rather the ‘fight’ was a short one not a long one

We went to the plot this morning (no Babs in sight!) and took a soil test, took pictures, used that app to mark the plots (thanks to PP for the tips), and measured it and took pictures of the measurements/readings. From what we can tell she has root veg, fruit and a little herb garden patch, all growing fairly well considering the time of year. We didn’t disturb anything

Going to call the home insurers today to see if we can get legal cover and reclaim costs from the previous owner so solicitors can write her a letter - if not we will just instruct our current solicitors and make the reclaim too. I know we could do a letter ourselves but I really think a legal middle man would be worth the money. We will take solicitors advice on how much notice to give her - but it won’t be long notice. No point, may as well rip the plaster off now. We won’t be offering to buy the shed as I don’t want to be beholden to Barbara or have her make out to others that we stole the shed. We want a clean slate, to pick our own items.

I do feel bad that Barbara will be losing something that is so dear to her and that her ‘sanctuary’ will be taken away but the bottom line is it does not belong to her and she has known this for 10 years. She could have spent that 10 years, or even just the nine months since the house went on the market, to find another sanctuary. We are being selfish, we have been through unimaginable struggles and it’s time to just live for ourselves not a random neighbour. If that makes us a pariah in the community I can take it.

DH also messaged our police officer friend of ours this morning who said if the time comes to bin her stuff and dismantle the shed to call 101 and tell them “We are doing this, it’s our property and we will handle everything with care and bring it to her home” and then if she calls them saying we are stealing or damaging our property then we are one step ahead at least.

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Skiphopbump · 12/04/2024 10:28

That sounds like a good plan, good idea to get it moving before the growing season really gets going. Good luck!

HoppingPavlova · 12/04/2024 10:31

Good decision OP. Wishing for it all to go as smoothly as possible for you.

violetlozenge · 12/04/2024 10:32

I think that is a good decision. Glad you have a plan in place now. (This scenario would make quite a nice little indie movie.)

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MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 12/04/2024 10:32

Please take up naked gardening, mind you Barbs will probably enjoy the view even more so maybe not! 

I would give her 4 weeks notice maximum for being a cheeky fucker.

PineappleTime · 12/04/2024 10:34

Excellent plan. Good luck!!

Sahara123 · 12/04/2024 10:34

I think that’s a good plan. Bottom line is it belongs to you. And you want to use it !

Dareisayiseethesunshine · 12/04/2024 10:34

Glad you have decided to reclaim your land op.

HÆLTHEPAIN · 12/04/2024 10:35

Sounds like a good plan, good luck and please come back and let us know how it goes!

BrownTroutBlues · 12/04/2024 10:35

You are being very fare
On the basis she’s had in excess of 6months to sort herself out and should not have planted anything for this season anyway.
Im sure she knew this was coming.

pickledandpuzzled · 12/04/2024 10:37

bit of a roller coaster, all that. Hope it goes more smoothly now.

WittyMotherhoodRelatedPun · 12/04/2024 10:37

I think it sounds like an excellent plan.

You copped a lot of flak in the previous thread about how you handled it initially, but as you said you were caught on the back foot and not at your best. We don't always handle things perfectly (and even if you had, who's to say she would have behaved any differently?)

ShortLivedComment · 12/04/2024 10:38

She might be fine about it too. People are often bolshy when they are first presented with something they don't like but when they've had time to think about it settle down and accept it well.

I wouldn't assume she will be difficult.

I'd start of as though you are not expecting a fight. Just make sure you are really clear about timescales.
I'd be blaming the seller loud and clear and would be sympathetic that the seller lied to you both.

Feelingstrange2 · 12/04/2024 10:38

Haha love this thread title

It's going to be a mumsnet classic thread.

akkakk · 12/04/2024 10:40

Well done - considered, thoughtful and sensible.

here is to enjoying a summer on your land!

Janetsmug · 12/04/2024 10:42

Exactly what I would do OP, good luck and yes, please come back and let us know how it goes 🙏

Dibilnik · 12/04/2024 10:42

Well done OP, sounds as though you have a tricky situation under control. I was going to suggest, as a practical interim measure, that your DH has an affair with Barbara. This gives you instant access to the plot, together with help digging etc and the use of her shed. Barbara can be disposed of as appropriate when things are clearer, but in the meantime all your DH has to do is the male equivalent of lying back and thinking of England. Good luck!

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ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 12/04/2024 10:44

Sounds like a great plan. Also as Barbara already has a huge garden attached to her house she can use some of that to grow her vegetables.

muddyford · 12/04/2024 10:45

I'd get the large flattish cardboard fruit boxes from a supermarket and put her plants in them. You don't want to be accused of throwing anything away that is hers. You seem to have come to a sensible decision.

anyolddinosaur · 12/04/2024 10:45

Been thinking about this and I agree with your plan. The house was on the market - you've just said for quite a time. She knew it was sold.

As this thread (and others on mumsnet ) illustrate few people have any understanding of the law and quite a few think it's what they want it to be, not what it actually is. The Allotment Acts can apply to plots of land used to grow vegetables but in this case you are new owners, not someone who has let her use it for years, and she is trespassing on your property. So I think you can probably get away with 2 weeks notice. Barbara may think she is the legal owner but she isnt - and if she wants any compensation her right of action is against the previous owner(s), not you.

I dont always trust conveyancing solicitors as I've been the victim of too many of their mistakes. Your legal insurers may not cover it as related to house purchase but it usually includes an advice line and they can give you a check on the conveyancing solicitor Plus it will come in handy if she becomes difficult over other things.

So a solicitors letter making it clear you are the legal owners and you will allow her 14 days (give an actual date) to remove her property before you remove it for her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2024 10:46

Excellent plan, OP, and I like the way you've thought it all out so rationally

Here's hoping your home insurance legal cover will pay up too ...

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/04/2024 10:48

All seems very sensible. Good luck op.

GrumpySock · 12/04/2024 10:48

You are too good-hearted op. I wouldn't be able to tackle it so gracefully

Projectme · 12/04/2024 10:48

Absolutely best plan. I hope she concedes defeat gracefully.

Fannyfiggs · 12/04/2024 10:50

I don't think you're being selfish at all. The plot belongs to you. You paid money for it. You are fully entitled to enjoy it.

It's unfortunate for Babs but she knew this day would come and she is being a grade A CF. She will need to move along and grow her 🍆 elsewhere.

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