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CF allotment thief part 2: the Battle of Barbara and the Beansprouts

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YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 10:24

Hi all, sorry I didn’t get a chance to post the link to this in the last thread, but it filled up too quickly.

So, another update

DH and I sat and had a looooong talk last night. We poured over every option, the pro’s and cons and the best and worst case scenarios. We thought of every possible situation that could arise from each option and we made a decision this morning.

it was actually the best/worst case scenario talk that clinched it.
Best case scenario for selling it to her was we get a little bit of money. Worst case is we have no allotment and the house possibly devalues.

Best case scenario for if we shared the land is that she is a pleasant plot neighbour and isn’t bitter that we are on the land that used to be ‘hers’ and doesn’t try to boss us about. But worst case scenario is that she remains bitter and makes our lives hell, interferes and our allotment space becomes an unbearable place to be.

Best case scenario for if we keep it to ourselves is we have the enjoyment of a long awaited allotment, one that makes a massive difference to DH’s MH and our general life enjoyment. Worst case scenario is that we make a neighbour - who is smart enough to find another plot or use her own generous garden - cross.

We figured that the worst case scenarios for all 3 weren’t worth risking the absolute best case scenario could bring.

So we are kicking her off.

We discussed letting her wait some months before making her leave or until the end of the growing season around about the end of September. But that when you consider the weather, that would mean we wouldn’t truly be able to enjoy the allotment in good weather for a whole year. I know it can still be enjoyed in horrible weather but the thought of missing out on a whole entire summer of gardening, relaxing and recuperating just feels too long. She has also indicated she will fight us - well she can try and she won’t win so I’d rather the ‘fight’ was a short one not a long one

We went to the plot this morning (no Babs in sight!) and took a soil test, took pictures, used that app to mark the plots (thanks to PP for the tips), and measured it and took pictures of the measurements/readings. From what we can tell she has root veg, fruit and a little herb garden patch, all growing fairly well considering the time of year. We didn’t disturb anything

Going to call the home insurers today to see if we can get legal cover and reclaim costs from the previous owner so solicitors can write her a letter - if not we will just instruct our current solicitors and make the reclaim too. I know we could do a letter ourselves but I really think a legal middle man would be worth the money. We will take solicitors advice on how much notice to give her - but it won’t be long notice. No point, may as well rip the plaster off now. We won’t be offering to buy the shed as I don’t want to be beholden to Barbara or have her make out to others that we stole the shed. We want a clean slate, to pick our own items.

I do feel bad that Barbara will be losing something that is so dear to her and that her ‘sanctuary’ will be taken away but the bottom line is it does not belong to her and she has known this for 10 years. She could have spent that 10 years, or even just the nine months since the house went on the market, to find another sanctuary. We are being selfish, we have been through unimaginable struggles and it’s time to just live for ourselves not a random neighbour. If that makes us a pariah in the community I can take it.

DH also messaged our police officer friend of ours this morning who said if the time comes to bin her stuff and dismantle the shed to call 101 and tell them “We are doing this, it’s our property and we will handle everything with care and bring it to her home” and then if she calls them saying we are stealing or damaging our property then we are one step ahead at least.

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Sera1989 · 12/04/2024 13:21

I think you are doing the right thing! In your shoes it's what I'd want to do and you are well within your rights. As you say, Babs had 10 years (or at least nine months) to find another plot and her attitude in saying she'll fight you for it is just ridiculous. She is essentially squatting in your garden. Please update us with what happens next, I am very invested now!

coodawoodashooda · 12/04/2024 13:24

Good luck!

FrogTheWarrior · 12/04/2024 13:24

My parents decided they no longer needed their off-road parking spot at the bottom of their garden. So they decided to do away with it and extend their fence to incorporate the land back into their garden, which most of the other neighbours had already done. A neighbour complained because they had been using my parents’ off-road parking to turn around in, and now it would be tight! Some people are just unbelievable.

I think your plan is spot on OP and really well reasoned. Please keep us posted!

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BillStickersWillBeProsocuted · 12/04/2024 13:24

2023gin · 12/04/2024 13:20

Why on earth has he emailed his police friend ! Dramatic much

The post makes it clear why; to get advice on what to do if they need to remove Barbara stuff. They want to protect themselves from accusations of damage or theft.

If it's dramatic to contact a friend who's an expert I'm be a proper drama lama next time I have a leak and call my plumber friend!

Edited for spelling!

PamPamPamPam · 12/04/2024 13:25

All of this nonsense about what the neighbours think is what leads to these CFs thinking they can dictate how other people live their lives and use their property! I couldn't care less about what my neighbours think of me. And I certainly couldn't care less if it means giving up land that I have bought!

I'd rather be hated and feared than be everyone's mate and a walkover.

MyPurpleHeart · 12/04/2024 13:27

I dont think ill be able to cope if we dont find out how this ends

Please keep us updated @YaMuvva !

Overthinkingeverythingallthetime · 12/04/2024 13:28

Good plan. Hope all goes well & Babs & her beansprouts find a new home 🏡 fwiw I don't think you're being selfish at all

TheWayTheLightFalls · 12/04/2024 13:31

My main takeaway from these threads is that I'd do well to move to Yorkshire or Lincolnshire with their "buy a house ('ouse?) and get an allotment free" deal. It's slim pickings in London!

Zonder · 12/04/2024 13:31

I do feel bad that Barbara will be losing something that is so dear to her and that her ‘sanctuary’ will be taken away but the bottom line is it does not belong to her and she has known this for 10 years

The other way to view it is that she has benefited from a free sanctuary and growing space for 10 years. Time's up.

MabelMaybe · 12/04/2024 13:32

where we live, the waiting list for council-run allotments is about 3 years. She could have put her name down when her friend first mentioned selling her house, and be part way down that list now. I hope you enjoy your plot of land when you get onto it.

YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 13:34

2023gin · 12/04/2024 13:20

Why on earth has he emailed his police friend ! Dramatic much

Obviously to ask his opinion on if he thinks removing her property would be considered criminal damage.

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OriginalUsername2 · 12/04/2024 13:37

It amazed me how many people on the thread expected you to be “kind” and give away your legal property to some rude random!

longapple · 12/04/2024 13:38

I wonder if your place on the council allotment waiting list could be transferred to her, could be worth finding out, offering that might make her more cooperative!

HazelBite · 12/04/2024 13:40

Your plan sounds very fair to me. I have every sympathy for the OP. We moved into a house with a very large open front garden, near a school and sports club that had been empty for a couple of years. So we had this problem with all the parents, of the kids attending using our front garden as a car park. The entitlement was breath taking "But we've always parked here!" The fact it was "our" garden seemed to not register with them!

KateDelRick · 12/04/2024 13:40

Dibilnik · 12/04/2024 10:42

Well done OP, sounds as though you have a tricky situation under control. I was going to suggest, as a practical interim measure, that your DH has an affair with Barbara. This gives you instant access to the plot, together with help digging etc and the use of her shed. Barbara can be disposed of as appropriate when things are clearer, but in the meantime all your DH has to do is the male equivalent of lying back and thinking of England. Good luck!

Excellent plan. Then when it comes time to "dispose" of Barbara, you have a well dug allotment...

Eddielizzard · 12/04/2024 13:41

it might help to view the seller as the bad guy here, so you can sympathise with Barbara and say how you've both been let down by her. Ie. you and CF neighbour against Barbara, rather than you against CF IYSWIM? Then it's not so confrontational.

But bottom line is she does have to fuck off, and it's her choice if she's going to be difficult in future. Doesn't sound like she'll find another allotment easily. If I were you, I'd install a CCTV if you find plants being mysteriously damaged in future.

KateDelRick · 12/04/2024 13:42

I'm amazed that you didn't know that your house came with an allotment - that would really have added to the price, so the Estate Agent must be cross. There's a massive waiting list where I live.

unbelieveable22 · 12/04/2024 13:42

@YaMuvva good plan
Barbara and her ' good friend' are CF's.
The house was for sale/sold for past 9 months. She never bothered to discuss the plot with her 'good friend' and vice versa in all that time.
She tried to play the game and she has lost. I would go after the seller for any costs incurred. As I said both CFs.

CheerfulBunny · 12/04/2024 13:42

Good for you. I just feel sorry that you and your DH had to put up with all this crap and stress when you should be enjoying your lovely new home AND allotment! People are twats sometimes - she must've known there was a pretty good chance she'd meet opposition once the house was sold. Anyway, I really hope you are loving your new home despite all this - plus your newly found celebrity status on MN 😀

YaMuvva · 12/04/2024 13:44

KateDelRick · 12/04/2024 13:42

I'm amazed that you didn't know that your house came with an allotment - that would really have added to the price, so the Estate Agent must be cross. There's a massive waiting list where I live.

I have a really strong feeling that she (the seller) tried to hide it from the EA and from us in the hope we wouldn’t find out and Babs could keep it

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diddl · 12/04/2024 13:44

Glad that you have decided to keep it & use it.

I mean it might not be a selling point in future-especially if you gave a good sized garden but who knows?

I can see the appeal of being able to grow stuff elsewhere tbh.

If the allotments are "open plan" & close-how is it a sanctuary compared to sitting in your own garden I wonder?

Also curious to know how it was decided which houses would get an allotment.

Garden size?

Whoever could originally afford one?

Infectiousdisease · 12/04/2024 13:44

KateDelRick · 12/04/2024 13:42

I'm amazed that you didn't know that your house came with an allotment - that would really have added to the price, so the Estate Agent must be cross. There's a massive waiting list where I live.

Jeez, she did know, read the original thread....

dapsnotplimsolls · 12/04/2024 13:45

Stella the Seller is the real villain here ...

SpamFritterSandwich · 12/04/2024 13:47

That's a great decision OP. Thanks for the update.
You sound like nice people who have had a tough time and I wish you all the best.
Enjoy your allotment!

FunnysInLaJardin · 12/04/2024 13:47

Not posted yet, but been following the first thread with increasing incredulity.

Does none one bothered to RTFT before posting these days?

I don't know how many times @YaMuvva had to repeat information that was in the OP and folk were still asking the same foolish questions!

Really quite interested to see how this pans out now though!

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