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How to help with this situation (alcoholic getting no support currently)?

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PersonalityofaVacuum · 08/04/2024 10:02

(If you want to know the background scroll down, I am not sure if It's relevant and It's a long story!)

I own a house (I'll call it H) with an alcoholic who I'll refer to as B (we're joint tenants).

My friend 'R', and tenant rents a room in said house.

B has recently been in hospital following an alcoholism-induced seizure and upon discharge was advised to cut down on alcohol gradually. The hospital allegedly stated that the reason for the seizure was because B had recently cut down too quickly which was too much a shock to his liver hence the body reacting as it did. B had apparently gone from drinking spirits to drinking cider in an effort to sober up gradually and the lower alcohol level caused this reaction.

My friend who lives with him cannot utilise the communal areas because B is either losing control of his bowels/bladder OR just being too drunk to be bothered(I don't know which) so is literally sh1tiing/pissing his pants and throwing said pants onto the floor and putting new ones on or not bothering, repeatedly so there is an awful smell in the house, bits of poo on the floor etc. There is an awful smell in the house obviously, just not habitable.

I visited on Saturday morning, only because me and R have a dog, who lives with me but R still wants to see and I was visiting friends I dropped said dog off for R to have for the weekend, and this is how and when I learned of this current situation.

B is also very dysfunctional generally, the house is a tip, rubbish and food everywhere, mess, muck, B sleeps downstairs on the sofa, sofa smells, B's bedroom again is strewn with dirty and soiled clothes and the smell permeates into my friend's bedroom. Friend lives in bedroom basically, has a freezer and microwave in there, only goes downstairs to the communal areas when absolutely necessary or when exiting/entering the house.

Neither of them are employed.

I was over there yesterday, helped clean the house and washed dirty clothes, threw away a lot of rubbish, got B into the bath (he hadn't washed in months). I contacted B's Mum and Sister who also came over to help and his Mum stayed there last night but she's an old lady who can't really do much.

My question is, what can I do here?

I obviously have a legal responsibility toward R, as a tenant and she's happy living there generally but also has nowhere else to go, she has a criminal record and no guarantor, and is on benefits.

I am not particularly friends with B, after a lot of turmoil in our friendship but he obviously needs help.

Hospital seemed to have just left him to it with no ongoing support.

Is there anything I should be doing? My plan is to contact his GP and SS and see if they can help but anything else?

I now live around a 90 minute drive away but as H is in my old hometown I visit quite frequently to see friends etc and when I do I'll leave my dog with R.

(Background).

B owned the house initially. Before he was this severe on the drink, he was however in danger of losing his house because he was going to lose his (quite good!) job because of it. He confided in me as his friend, and I said if he signed half the house over to me, I'd pay the mortgage and he could stay there. He did this. I moved in and became his official carer. Don't get me wrong, he was an alcoholic then but wasn't struggling as much as he is now some ten years later.

We lived together quite harmoniously for some years, I got him on a much better mortgage deal so he is paying off the house now which has now a tiny mortgage on it, and I sought him counselling and did his PIP claim, took him to appointments etc.

He does go through periods of functioning and not drinking, sometimes for almost a year, but then something sets him off again (usually an upsetting situation or mistake he makes, or sometimes he'll go on a night out and get drunk, and unlike 'normal' people, be unable to stop the next day and it just goes on and on).

During the time I lived with B, I met R, and we began a relationship. R moved into the house with me, all 3 of us lived there again, quite harmoniously but B wasn't like this then-was drinking some of the time but not soiling himself and not anywhere near as bad as he is now generally.

Eventually me and R moved elsewhere, I carried on paying half the mortgage on the house B lived in/owned.

Then me and R split up and R moved back into H and became my tenant (or lodger I suppose as I own the house with B but it isn't a BTL).

Me and R get along okay, and I don't feel it is fair she has to live with this, but also I do have a certain responsibility toward her as my tenant and I would like to go down the correct paths with B, I just don't know if any help is available!

Is there anything I can do to help with this situation?

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PersonalityofaVacuum · 10/04/2024 12:36

I didn't work nights when I met B. I quit my fulltime job and took on a night (weekend only) job at the time of us deciding that I'd move in.

I personally cannot tell if someone has a CR, or has had SS involved with their children, just by looking at them. If you can, you're a better man than I.

If I hadn't have gone on B's mortgage, his house would've been repossessed.

Yes I moved my girlfriend at the time in. She wanted to move in. The situation was harmonious at the time and all of the time we all lived there.

I understand what a tax return is, I just don't understand why it is relevant to this thread (I still don't if I am honest but you could explain?).

I haven't been 'involved' for a long time until R asked for me to help as B had become worse. I hadn't seen B in a very long time and as I've said a few times now, I don't live with or near them, I am in a different county. Prior to this episode B had been functioning for a while. I believe he began drinking again this January although he had been 'dry' for almost a year prior to that. I don't think it was my fault he began then, he hadn't seen me at all.

@Octavia64 thank you-I'm not going to try to force sale, I just wouldn't, it would seem an awful thing to do.
I have seen B seizure before, once right at the point I'd managed to get him to hospital, it was awful and I am sorry you experience similar.

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Hoplittlebunnyhophophopandstop · 10/04/2024 12:41

I think you need legal advice. You’ve got yourself into a very difficult situation.

Blondiebeachbabe · 10/04/2024 12:58

I'd just get out of this whole sorry mess, asap. If you were married to B, and wanted a divorce, you would have the options of B buying you out, or you selling up and both finding new accommodation. That is the route I would be going down here. You've ended up in a messy tangle, and you need to get out. You don't owe anyone anything, neither of them are your spouse or child. Just get out asap.

Blondiebeachbabe · 10/04/2024 13:01

And stop focusing on the "back story". It's irrelevant here. You are where you are, regardless of the back story. You are entangled in a house where your alcoholic mate and Ex live. It should have nothing to do with you. You need to harden up and treat this like a business transaction.

PersonalityofaVacuum · 10/04/2024 13:05

Well I guess I've had the question answered as to what I should do which is GP and SS, both have been done-and a PP provided what may be worth a suggestion to his NOK regarding an alternate arrangement that might work for B if he ever does get a bit better, thank you for that.

I didn't want to focus on the backstory at all but I am 100% sure that had I not detailed it, the thread would be even more populated with people asking me a lot of questions about it. But regarding what I can do to help B and by default help R, I have what I need.

@Blondiebeachbabe my only question in the OP was regarding if there was anything I could do to help my tenant (which would obviously mean any services involved that I may not be aware of etc) rather than anything to do with the legalities with the house itself. I've done what I can it seems. I will plan on how to go forward with the house myself. Thank you all who've responded. Smile

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PersonalityofaVacuum · 12/04/2024 14:02

SS visited H yesterday and have said they'll proceed with some meetings and should be able to come up with a plan to support. I am happy with that.
His Mother was still there and explained everything. She's quite frail (has not long since recovered from cancer) and told them she could not be there to look after him, this was a one-off and she cannot lift him if he falls (he's a tall, well built and now overweight bloke) which I am pleased about. I did tell her to go home, as her immunity will still be low and although she's been cleaning since being there, it isn't the best environment for her (I feel for her having to sleep on the small sofa too, the large one smells because of him and he still sleeps on it, and his bedroom is for want of a better description, absolutely minging).

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