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You are being lied to. This is the reality our doctors are facing. Please share this everywhere and raise awareness before we have no doctors left!
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Please watch this!

Interesting. I haven't come across any PA's at my local hospital or GP practice - but then how would I know.
Any PA's on here to give their point of view?

I've never heard this before.

That’s exactly the point we don’t know if we are being seen by someone who is medically qualified ie a medical doctor. A lot of PAs see themselves as medically qualified when they most definitively do not hold any medical qualification. The degree they have before they can do the PA course can be any life science! Then they do a 2 year masters. Then straight out onto wards treating patients way beyond their scope and ability. There are documented cases of them prescribing which they are not allowed to do. That is illegal a criminal offence!
But they are doing it. They are also carrying out procedures for which they are not trained.
This should be a massive cause for public concern, but the public do t really know, my question is why not?

That’s exactly my point. Please educate yourself see what is being posted by GPs and other medical professionals on twitter about this debacle.

Who is this woman and what are her qualifications? Also, since the Govt. policy about PAs and AAs is in the public domain, who is being lied to and how?

There is an element of scaremongering in this IMO.

I appreciate your concern OP, but you have started a couple of threads on this and I think this kind of targeted crusade weakens your position and you become less credible.

For example, I could pick out plenty of threads on here (or actually examples in real life also) where GPs have got things wrong or misdiagnosed, so yeah, you possibly have a point.... but you have made it a lot.

Awareness has been raised this week by the parents of a young woman who died due to misdiagnosis and mistreatment by a PA. She died due to a DVT and PE that, from what the coroner said, was absolutely classic and would have been obvious to a GP or practice nurse. I am a retired nurse and from what was reported on the news, her symptoms were absolutely screaming PE. The patient and her parents thought she was being seen by a doctor.
There are a few threads on MN about this topic.

We have PA/ANP at our surgery, they always identify themselves as this and where required seek clarification from the GP. I personally see no issue with this, considering it took me a year of pestering my actual Consultant to take seriously my symptoms which ended up as me having cancer which is what I thought all along.

Also, Dr Sophies surgery lists an Advanced Practitioner and a Nursing Associate under the heading Nursing Staff!

Ethically, any HCP should introduce themselves with their name and correct title. Giving the patient the impression that you are a qualified doctor when you are not is wrong. I have had a procedure done in hospital by PA and was very happy for that to happen. She introduced herself, explained her qualifications and experience and that was all good. Personally, I do not agree with PAs diagnosing and treating patients. 2 years training is not enough.

A qualified, licensed GP. When you click on the video this is confirmed & verified by YouTube. It says (by YouTube themselves) "This is a licensed Doctor in the UK"

The woman in the video is a practising GP. She was on the TV yesterday talking about this.

So what is the 2 year masters if not a medical qualification?

It is fine as long as the holder is not diagnosing or prescribing. The issue for me is that the work the PA is doing should be appropriate to their knowledge and training and that the patient should not be led to believe they are seeing a doctor or an advanced nurse practitioner.

I was a clinical nurse specialist. 5 years training, 10 years experience in my field, back to university for a specialist course and only then I was qualified to work in my defined role and to teach and train others. There is no comparison IMO.

Well that didn't answer my question.

OK. I would say no, it is not a medical qualification. A medical qualification is something a medical doctor or a surgeon has achieved.

What do you mean by this?

An ANP discharged my husband from hospital despite his CRP levels indicating sepsis.
Her words were "we don't go on numbers, we go on how you're feeling/looking"
5 days later he was admitted to another hospital for 8 days of IV antibiotics.

I will be complaining to PALS once my husband is better.

That is shocking!

This is exactly the problem

I'm concerned about PAs.

That video takes too long time to get to the point though. (if it ever does, I gave up part way through). And Licensed Dr isn't really a term that is frequently used in the UK, so I'm not sure how it is supposed to persuade anyone?

I would prefer to campaign for
Better recruitment and retention of existing HCP
Better pay for existing HCP
Raising awareness of actual the role of PAs and making sure they work within safe boundaries. I think there is a role for Physicians Assistants in Hospitals, Ironically, given the mnemonic, it would be quite administrative though.

The point is a PA is not medically qualified. They

are working beyond their scope and capabilities. There is a role but they must practice safely and not put patients in danger.

It is a bit long but there are many issues being addressed here and I think she just wanted to be clear and thorough.