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Is the school curriculum still full of useless bollocks?

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Feelingcrappy2 · 19/03/2024 20:36

Hoping that things have changed since I was at school. I hated school. Perhaps because it was an all girls school so was incredibly bitchy and full of hormonal girls. I have friends who went to mixed schools and they were never as boy obsessed as me because they were just so used to them always being in their day-to-day lives. I truly believe that alone let me down. I started college and was a bit like...oh...BOYS!

Any way, back to the curriculum - my eldest will be starting soon and I'm wondering what to expect. Not so much what to expect in primary school but senior school.

I can imagine that many people will have other opinions on what I am about to point out here - but this is just how I feel.

Algebra, King Henry VIII's wives names, going to box hill in the freezing arse cold freezing our tits off to measure some grass (literally)... I mean, I have an ENDLESS LIST OF SHIT that I had to endure throughout my time at school. I would go as far as saying that the vast majority of what I 'learnt' was bollocks and I have never, ever used/needed to remember it.

Basic maths - absolutely. (In fact, wish they would have focused on basic math more than all those impossible mathematical equations etc, as basic math is what we use day to day, right?)

Basic science - absolutely.

English Lit & Lang - absolutely.

The rest of the subjects - yes to a certain extent, but in my honest opinion should be minimised. I could have really benefitted from things such as:

  • Career choices (and I don't mean the one-time hour career choices class we sat through in year 11 when we were about to leave, absolutely clueless as of what to do next - I mean, in depth informative career options - delving into the potential job opportunities out there, along with information on different industries. Starting from say, Year 9/10.
  • Classes on wellbeing (not just mental health, but the importance of self care, how to deal with big feelings, certain and specific situations, educating kids on social media - in fact, social media should be heavily taught about considering the amount of time kids spend on it).
  • Credit ratings (my DP screwed himself over for 6 years due to an unpaid parking fine aged 18) and things like budgeting and the value of money. I remember blowing each and every payslip when I started working - do you know why? I NEVER knew I could buy a house. Not from a wealthy family and assumed it was only for the mega rich - we were never taught in school about these sorts of possibilities.
  • Similarly to the above - debts and importance of credit & credit cards

Again, I could go on and on and on. Like I said, I really don't feel as though I got much out of my time at school. I started to learn once I got my first full time job aged 17. I was thrown into an adult only environment. It was client facing and I had no choice but to grow up, learn on the job and become a woman. I loved it and thank goodness - because even college taught me zilch.

I just hope things have changed - or will do in the future at least. I hope kids are still not sat learning about how to draw a circle with a compass and leaving clueless, lost, spending every penny they get, depressed over social media and not knowing what is actually out there for them to achieve.

As much as parents should be helping to teach their kids my above list, schools should too, in my opinion.

OP posts:
coureur · 20/03/2024 12:59

@Malbecfan oh I wonder if you are my DS's music teacher? He came back on Tuesday saying they had watched/listened to the most amazing music her had ever heard in his life. It turned out to be the live version of Texas Flood. He has watched it utterly transfixed a dozen times since: As have I!

Malbecfan · 20/03/2024 13:40

@coureur sadly not, but thanks for posting the link and for bringing up a young person who enthuses about his learning.

benefitstaxcredithelp · 20/03/2024 18:09

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 20/03/2024 08:22

Actually learning the English grammar at primary is massively helpful at secondary for learning foreign languages. So it is stuff they need to know, even though it isn't immediately obvious how that knowledge will be used. They won't continue to learn further English grammar in English at secondary though, so if that's your concern you don't need to worry. But it's a huge help in French, Spanish etc.

This is not true.

The grammar they learn at primary is largely irrelevant to learning a language. Fronted adverbials, expanded noun phrases, subordinate and relative clauses…
I went to school in the 80s/90s and have a degree in languages and I didn’t even have an A level in English Language! You learn what you need at the time.

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Zwellers · 20/03/2024 18:23

This one's hard because to me for example history, art, music and languages were pointless things I was forced to learn in some case for years (in primary school i used to purposesly forget art equipment so i didnt have to take part) and intend never to engage with again but I appreciate others will disagree. I would say two thirds of what most people learn in school they never use in adult life , with the exact content varying per person.

LlynTegid · 20/03/2024 18:28

Agree with the OP about some of the things that are taught. I also think more modern languages should be taught.

tracktrail · 20/03/2024 18:32

The grammar they learn at primary is largely irrelevant to learning a language. Fronted adverbials, expanded noun phrases, subordinate and relative clauses…

I'm in my 50s and don't have a clue what those are!

tracktrail · 20/03/2024 18:33

<goes off to google oxbow lakes>

StormingNorman · 20/03/2024 20:05

I so wish school had taught me how pensions accrue, how to do taxes and other important real life maths. I’m sure Pythagoras theorem will come in handy one day….

Mew2 · 20/03/2024 23:00

So for me
History and English taught me analytical skills which has helped to critique journal articles and research
Science has helped me with a basic understanding of how materials work, how the human body works, and how kinetic energy and biomechanics work
Maths- I still use such things as equations and pythagoras theory daily
Two things school gave me- a hunger for learning which I believe all schools should help instill in their students
A well rounded education

However I feel we should be teaching about budgeting (I remember learning about compound interest), and we should be teaching the skills for students to research for themselves so they are ready for higher education. I don't think spoonfedding really helps as everyone has different interests..

Maddy70 · 20/03/2024 23:29

Sadly secondary school is taught content to pass exams so whatever is on the exam spec is driven down through all secondary stages

LEWWSH · 22/03/2024 16:19

Yikes! What a negative post! I really hope you don’t pass on your own negative feelings to your child, otherwise they’re not going to have a chance of enjoying what they learn. In a lot of ways, it’s not important what you learn, but that you learn how to learn and find out what interests you - which is different for all of us.
And while I do understand some of the practical topics you mentioned being very useful, I’m not sure how many students are going to enjoy learning about pensions!
A broad and balanced curriculum enables people to find what interests them and (hopefully) thrive. Not all the curriculum is going to interest everyone, but learning to put up with and even achieve in areas which don’t interest us is a good life lesson!

Theothername · 22/03/2024 18:10

Quite surprised by these responses. I’m not in the UK and my experience has been that the curriculum is quite a bit more relevant and interesting than it was in my day. Both the content and the delivery have changed. Classes tend to be discursive, and there’s far more scope for the students to express and develop opinions.

Recently ds covered Columbus in history and I was impressed by the nuance and how interconnected the different strands and subjects are. It definitely wasn’t about learning dates and ship names.

There’s considerable emphasis on well being, mental health and PE is no longer about surviving a sadistic psychopath, but about developing life long habits of exercise and movement. My ds, who has SEN got some extra resource time to learn ball skills because the school recognises the importance in helping him socially integrate. And how feeling connected and a sense of belonging contributes to his ability to learn.

There are still tedious teachers, and challenging maths lessons, and my dc find a lot to complain about. I think the educational system has a long way to go to catch up with the needs of a 21st economy but it’s much better than it was in my day.

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