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Saying Goodbye

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5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 07:38

Sorry this is so long. If it doesn’t interest you, I completely understand. Please ignore.

Hi all. Two days ago, I discovered I was a topic of discussion on another site. What was said was pretty brutal - that everything I’ve ever said about myself on MN has been a lie, that my writing is shit (possibly true), my photographs are shit (that’s a fair one), that I use the word “sigh” too much (also completely fair), that I’m overly verbose and unintelligible (this is probably true, too), and that I reference my dying all the time (completely fair and true).

The things that are true hurt, but I probably needed to hear them. Doing something that a lot of people hate me for is a stupid way to spend the time I have left. And I don’t want to be remembered as an overly dramatic writer and shit photographer, though unfortunately, I’m sure I’ve shown myself to be both. I will never be able to convince everyone on the internet that I’m not lying, but since there’s literally no point in not being honest with not that much time left, I figured I might as well try to fix this.

So, before I go (it’s definitely not a flounce because I believe MN has the ability to help a lot of people, especially women who are trapped, and mostly I don’t want to leave having made it a worse place) here are honest answers to several questions you might have:

Who are you?
I’m Toria. I live in Switzerland. I have a C permit (permanent resident) so I will be able to stay here until I die. I was worried about being outed because my bosses didn’t know yet that my serious illness had become terminal. They have now been informed of my health, since it’s worsening, I’m working in a contingency plan, so there’s nothing more to hide. My family are all dead (raised by my grandparents, no siblings - my biological mother does text but it’s awkward and we haven’t spoken in a decade, my biological father is dead), and I have maybe five really good friends in America, one in Monaco, and one in Scotland. I started as 5YearsLeft in December 2021 when my doctors (rheumatologist and neurologist) both agreed it was unlikely I’d survive another five years and they had no other ideas. By math, we’d be down to three years. By health… I doubt we have two years. I’m too weak to handle this much pain without seriously considered euthanasia.

What are you ACTUALLY sick with?
I said this was outing before because my doctors say it is. I have full-body myasthenia gravis and Behçet’s disease - neither of them are usually fatal anymore, but no one has them together. I usually just said vasculitis as Behcet’s is a form of vasculitis (your body attacks your veins). Neither of these are assumptions - they have been confirmed by either blood tests, biopsies, and in the case of myasthenia, also electromyography. There are only four reported cases that my medical team has been able to find - three of them are dead, and one was treated with a huge dose of steroids which they already tried on me and made things so much worse, by giving me Cushing’s syndrome and adrenal failure. ONE REQUEST: If you know ANYONE who has both of these diseases, full-body myasthenia gravis and full-body Behçet’s disease (both have just ocular versions) please, please send me a PM. My conditions are both refractory (no treatment has worked) but maybe there’s someone we just haven’t been able to find who’s found something.* *I won’t be active on Mumsnet but if you PM me, I will get a notification.

Why the fuck do you keep trying to go to Scotland if you’re “so” sick?
Two reasons. Where I live in Switzerland used to be fine in the summer. Now, it’s never-ending heatwaves. My veins do not react well to this, and I spend all summer hidden in a single dark room with a room air conditioner. It is an incredibly isolating, depressing thing. So going to Scotland means at least I can sit and be able to see out a window and talk to someone every day and drink tea. Second reason, my best friend lives there and that’s who I stay with. Without him, I would already have done doctor-assisted suicide. My ex-husband hounds me about it every week. It feels sometimes like my best friend (and my friends in America, but they’re so far) are the only ones who care that I’m still here. But no, it’s not the vacation that you think, and I know I’m a complete fool who is risking a myasthenic crisis or higher chance of DVT by doing it. I take an Uber to the airport. I cannot lift my own luggage at all. As soon as I get there, I have to be put in a wheelchair, which is where I stay until I’m seated in the aircraft. Then at the other end, same wheelchairs again, my best friend picks me up and puts me in an Uber, and I sleep for a week to recover from the journey. But I’m just as sick in Scotland. I stayed for three months, and I never left the apartment, so that ought to give you an idea. My options: dark room in Switzerland, alone, or try to push to Scotland, and at least have someone who loves me, even if I’m still housebound.

What about when you tried to prove you weren’t a troll by sharing your medications? There was x/y/z wrong with that.
My list of medications is practically public knowledge and I don’t really care anymore so here’s what I take: Euthyrox (for the thyroid issues from one of the past treatments), Esomep (to protect my stomach from all other meds), 2 hydrocortisone 2x(a small dose for the adrenal failure), Topamax 2x(migraines), Sertraline (I’m depressed, who the fuck wouldn’t be about dying), Mestinon 5x(60mg for myasthenia - you cannot take this without having myasthenia, because my understanding is that works exactly the same as Novichok, except obviously so, so, SO MUCH weaker), Celebrex (for the Behçet’s joint pain), Fentanyl (for the full body pain from Behçet’s, including some anklyosing spondylitis it’s caused). I also inject subcutaneous immunoglobulin, 10g, every five days, and Humira, 40ml, once a week. I know someone asked how you can take that much fentanyl without being catatonic. I don’t know what to say? My hair used to be red and brown, now it’s brown-black and silver, but I’ve always needed 3x the maximum numbing at the dentist. We’re currently switching from fentanyl to morphine, because while morphine is supposed to be significantly “weaker,” it works a ton better for the Behçet’s pain, especially since it’s now in all my major joints which are all going bad now.

Why the hell did you keep calling your ex-husband your “husband” for so long?
That’s embarrassing but a fair question. He divorced me to marry my mate so that she could get a residency card. He promised he wouldn’t treat me differently. And I wanted to believe him because dying divorced and alone, living in the same house with people who wouldn’t notice that I died, was more than I could take. But it doesn’t matter what I wanted. The truth is: my former husband divorced me and married my mate before I died, and he became an ex-husband, and he started making noises about how if he were me, he would already have committed assisted suicide, and I was an absolute fucking idiot for thinking it would be any different.

So why are you bothering to do this now?
Because it really disturbed me that there’s a large group of women who won’t believe anything any future dying MNer writes because they thought I was a bunch of trolls and also that every time there was a nice comment about me, that I wrote it myself. I mean, Pamela (wilsonmilson) has an obituary that’s still online and has a public funeral and they still didn’t believe her.

What do trolls get out of it?
I know there is categorically no way to convince some people that I’m not troll. What I would say is this: I don’t know how trolls do it. I would feel sick every day if I knew I was lying in such a way. And I know this is pathetic, but I would also be a bit scared. That kind of shit has a terrible habit of coming back to bite you in the ass; it’s not exactly karma, but it’s the universe balancing something. I’m ALREADY afraid the shit things I’ve done in this life will bite me in the ass, and none of them are as bad as that. And I don’t see the “benefit” to being a troll. No one has ever offered me money, which I take as a great sign that MN opening statement about not giving anyone your time or money is working. And I reiterate that here: do not EVER give any money to anyone. People should not be asking for anything and they should refuse if you try to give it.

If you want to ask a question, please post it.

If you need to say something to me, or you want to say something positive, or you want my Instagram (as I said, I’m mostly housebound and in pain, so it’ll be boring and may occasionally contain shitty, dramatic, depressed writing), please PM me. Any positive comments would just be viewed as me posting them to myself, so it would be better to keep them off the thread.

So thank you for everything! I learned some very important lessons from this. And I wish you all the very best of luck, with whatever comes next for you. Thanks for listening to a rambling, dying idiot. I really appreciated it.

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brytersky · 11/03/2024 09:58

I'm sorry this is happening to you. People can be callous and vicious and the internet facilitates this by letting them all talk rubbish together. It's currently happening to the DoC who is sick and is getting out of hand.

I'm so sorry you have a terminal illness and are struggling. If you feel you get something out of being here then you shouldn't leave. Don't let them drive you away.

Lovemybunnies · 11/03/2024 10:04

I’m sorry too. I believe you. I don’t think anyone could write like that if it wasn’t true. I hope you find peace.

WhizzWoman · 11/03/2024 10:42

I've been on Mumsnet for a long time and hadn't heard of 'you'. I'm sorry that you are so ill. That must be so difficult. I understand why you would want to write things down. It's therapeutic.
I think it's normal for people who open up on social media to get trolled. There are a lot of strange people out there. I find the types of 'subtle' trolling that goes on on Mumsnet worse than the blatant type. The type of trolls who are blatantly writing really nasty stuff are at least 'honest' with who they are and what they are doing. It's the snide sneaky trolls, the type you find on Mumsnet, that pretend to be giving helpful advice but are really shit stirring or trying to upset people that I find the worse.
I name change very regularly and never post anything interesting or controversial so am of no interest to trolls.

Eyesopenwideawake · 11/03/2024 10:46

I'm so sorry for your pain, you don't deserve one iota of it.

gamerchick · 11/03/2024 10:48

You'll always get trolls and unpleasant people who have nothing better to do than trawl Mumsnet for material. It's never good to Google your username I think sometimes.

Why don't you just take a break. You do need a bit of a thick skin posting on forums.

I don't think you're a troll. I think you're someone who is a bit scared of the future and who wants to connect with others. There's really nothing wrong with that.

vodkaredbullgirl · 11/03/2024 10:49

Wow 😮

Andthereyougo · 11/03/2024 10:53

I vaguely know someone whose dd developed myasthenia gravis as a teenager. It affected her ability to breathe, huge pain and many life threatening crises. Poor kid spent months at a time in hospital. It’s a shit condition.
Having that alone is a huge burden, add in your other conditions and I don’t know how you cope.
Wishing you peace.

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 13:14

Thanks to all of you. A lot of wisdom here. And thanks to @WhizzWoman - it’s so good to know that you’ve not “heard” of me. I think sometimes when we read negative things about ourselves, we suddenly think everyone must agree - which is, of course, ridiculously dumb, because MN is huge, and of course the amount of people who haven’t seen my username will be a LOT bigger than the amount of people who have. It makes me feel a lot better, that I probably haven’t affected (positively OR negatively) MN at all.

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kiwiane · 11/03/2024 13:21

Don’t let those that criticise you get to you; best of luck for the future whatever it may hold.

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 13:22

@Andthereyougo I can’t even imagine myasthenia gravis as a teenager. I know how she feels physically, as it affects my ability to breathe as well (it goes in stages for a lot of people where first it may only affect your eyes, and then slowly it affects your whole body). I hope she found a treatment that worked for her, because at that age, it’s just damn unfair. I’m really sorry.

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LifesTooShortToLearnPolish · 11/03/2024 13:29

I'm so sorry that you've had this awful experience here. This site can be so toxic that I only ever post for fairly inconsequential reasons.

I wish you peace and comfort in your remaining days 💐

EspressoMacchiato · 11/03/2024 13:37

Oh OP I am sorry to hear you’re having such a hard time. Trolls are pathetic excuses for humans with clear issues of their own and lash out to try to make themselves feel better.

I’m in Geneva. Are you close?

Collywobblewobbles · 11/03/2024 13:44

This is awful to read, I can't understand why people would do cruel to you.

I am so sorry you've been up against this while dealing with everything you are. ❤️ I'd very much like to keep in touch with you via your Instagram as I think of you often, so I will PM you.

vivainsomnia · 11/03/2024 13:45

Everything extraordinary makes weird people question it's truth. Some people struggle with anything that stretch to far from average, let alone at the end of a spectrum.

Add to this that you are an incredible writer, their fantasy evolves to make you a fairy teller.

If you think about it, it is quite laughable how ironic it is because I have no doubt you'd give anything to indeed just be what they accuse you of!

You take care and continue to post here or on your Instagram. Your pictures are always a very clear and often humourous illustration of your posts. Some probably don't have the sense of humour to get it. Their loss.

Clarice99 · 11/03/2024 13:48

@5YearsLeft

I'm sorry you're having such a tough time, online and in real life.

I've been around on here for well over a decade, and I've never 'heard' of you. Even if your photos are shit, you say 'sigh' too much and you're just generally 'long winded' in your posts, it really doesn't warrant being trolled.

Unfortunately, some people are just cunts. And MN seems to have its fair share.

Take care of yourself 🌻

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 13:58

Thanks @Clarice99 . I’m starting to feel a lot better knowing that the general consensus is that Mumsnet has no idea who I am, and most users haven’t heard of me, so I hopefully can’t be all that horrific. (I hope?)

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LITLINAWIS · 11/03/2024 14:10

I’ve seen your name on here and seen you comment on people’s threads @5YearsLeft , and I have had nothing but admiration for you. I’ve seen you offer support and solidarity to others who are dying, and add wise words that are often very comforting. Some of your replies are long, but the words you use are worth their weight in gold. I think it’s sad that you are letting the haters win.

Eyesopenwideawake · 11/03/2024 14:13

I haven't heard of you either @5YearsLeft sorry/not sorry!! 😁

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 14:20

No, don’t be sorry @Eyesopenwideawake ! I just had this horrible feeling that people would keep questioning people like Pamela (in the “posters you wonder about” someone mentioned her and then asked if that was even real) and it would be my fault because everyone thought I was a troll. It’s a huge relief to know that even if another group of women paid a huge amount of attention to hating me, most of you had no idea I was here. It takes a lot of my anxiety away.

And thank you @LITLINAWIS . It’s good to know that even if my posts were too long, they added something sometimes. I appreciate it.

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Gettingonmygoat · 11/03/2024 15:26

In the nicest possible way, i haven't a clue who you are x I am sorry the coven on here have made your life hell, ignore them. They will be sad little madams that have achieved zilch and will end their lives bitter and twisted. Please don't let them chase you from here, stay and irritate them. I hope you make it back here to ScotlandFlowers

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 15:46

@Gettingonmygoat No, that’s not upsetting at all! This is actually making me feel a lot better. I had anxiety that everyone thought I had made MN worse, so it’s just… a big relief to know, I was here, maybe I commented and it helped a few people sometimes (maybe not 😬 but I tried), but otherwise, most people never heard of me. It takes a lot of the anxiety that I’ve done something really wrong out of it for me.

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ScouseOfCards · 11/03/2024 15:56

I've seen you around (on literally a handful of threads) and all I've noticed is that you've offered comfort to other people in tough situations.

I'm sorry the trolls have targeted you. People like that have something lacking in their own lives. It is obvious that they're small-minded and have small worlds by the fact they can spend so much of their energy analysing someone else on the internet. No happy person acts like that. Pitying them is probably the best approach.

You haven't done anything wrong.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 11/03/2024 15:57

i noticed you the other day, as you started your reply with
'Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and the wee donkey, too '
and that made me smile

Clarice99 · 11/03/2024 15:59

5YearsLeft · 11/03/2024 13:58

Thanks @Clarice99 . I’m starting to feel a lot better knowing that the general consensus is that Mumsnet has no idea who I am, and most users haven’t heard of me, so I hopefully can’t be all that horrific. (I hope?)

You aren't horrific at all @5YearsLeft

The horrific ones are people/trolls with no life who fill their time making other people's lives a misery.

I know it's easy to say, but try not to give these sad people your headspace.

NotestoSelf · 11/03/2024 16:03

I only remember your name because you recently posted thoughtfully on the thread by an OP who was sad she'd unwittingly made choices that had resulted in a 'very small life', and you mentioned your prognosis.