Claiming child support from ONS sperm donor

[Maryannberlwyn]

I watched the TV show about that guy who goes around getting lots of women pregnant throughout the globe.

I'm sure there are women out there desperate for a child and would get pregnant from ONS etc. there are even websites set up to meet others.

Would it morally be wrong to claim child support from a guy she had used for sperm, either willingly or not.

I think it's morally wrong but my friend doesn't think a mother should live of benefits.

God sucks to be a man

I personally don’t agree with claiming maintenance from a man that was clear from the beginning he did not want to be a father or part of the child’s life and the woman continued and kept the child (which is her right to do) but personally I don’t think it’s right to claim maintenance in that situation but I know many still do.

The child still exists. The child is still not responsible for the sins of its parents. The child still deserves to be supported financially (and preferably more) by both its parents.

Having sex is an adult act with adult consequences.

Child support is for the child. None of how the child was conceived is a child's fault. Yes, the father - reluctant or not - has a duty to pay for his CHILD'S SUPPORT.

Then he shouldn't have had sex or he should have had a vasectomy

Women shouldn't be forced into abortions because men don't want to live with the consequences of their actions

Yet another mental MN thread. This place is definitely getting worse.

Any thoughts at all for the rights of the child in all this?

In this scenario the man would have to discard the condom and immediately leave the condom and woman alone. He’d have to get out of there in a matter of minutes as sperm dies very quickly when it is exposed to air and cold (not to mention the spermicide in a condom). Once he left the woman would have to grab the condom and open it without spilling the contents then shove it far up inside her without help of ejaculation or other clinical tool. Seems v v far fetched to me.

How old are you?

Indeed

And easily avoided through making sure, as a man, you spend 15-30 mins with any women you have had sex with before you leave the room

Hardly such an onerous task that men would find it hard to avoid this highly unlikely senario

It's not a question of morality.

If a man fathers a child via a ons or a long term relationship, planned/unplanned/tricked....it's irrelevant. The child needs to be financially supported. Child maintenance isn't a punishment for the father and a reward for the mother. It's for the child. Any discussion about whether it's morally right or not is utterly pointless.

Condoms aren't foolproof. Any man who ejaculates inside a woman, condom or not, is consenting to becoming a father. No exceptions. He should pay.

Bloody hell! Can you be serious?

Don't most men "deal" with the condom themselves anyway? Which normally (IME) involves tying a knot in it to prevent leakage? 🤢

It's almost as if men could spend some time before having sex getting to know whether the other person is trustworthy, rather than having sex immediately they meet!

I love a good ONS but it's a risk you take that you might end up with a baby or a STI. In a longer term more trusting relationship rhe consequences of both are mitigated. Since forever, women have been avoiding ONS whenever the balance of fun vs risk seems unacceptable.

If men truly have to pay half the upbringing costs for all children all the time they might weigh up those consequences a bit differently. Sometimes they might risk the ONS but other times might go on a few dates instead and have sex less frequently but with only trustworthy folks. If there aren't any of these around, have text sex on a kinky forum, or have a wank, or just, whatever, have a cup of tea.

Parents have a legal and moral obligation to support their dc.

It doesn't matter if they wanted the dc or not.

Semen from inside a condom?

The condom that has spermicide in it? That's been exposed to a sudden drop in temperature below body temperature which sperms cells HATE. That's been outside the body for long enough for the man to have taken the condom off and left her unattended with it.

She's going to scoop that tiny amount of gooey semen, and somehow get it up to her cervix without further cold or heat shocking it, AND she just so happens to be at the right point in her cycle, AND live sperms cells find their way through the cervix and to the egg, do they?

If that was all her behaviour it doesn't change the fact that child support is for the child and they didn't ask to be born. The child is the priority here and he should support his child.

Of course he isnt.

He's consenting to the risk of pregnancy which may lead to a child and CMS. It's different.

It can not be sexual assault , if woman does not consent to having a bare penis inside her , that's assault .

Are you suggesting a child having no rights to support from their father is a better alturnitive?

Surely it's sexual assault to do that. Just as its sexual assault for a man to remove a condom during sex without permission. He didn't consent.
Legally he'll probably have to pay for the kid and won't be able to press charges unless there's evidence of her admitting it at least.

Morally, obviously, we all know that doing things without a person's consent is wrong.

Are you a man OP?

It can't be sexual assault , how ? Can men not protect themselves and not leave their litter lying about for a woman to clear up , it's hardly difficult .

So if she doesn't want a baby a woman should either not have sex or should have a hysterectomy?

Anyway, all this talk of men being forced to pay up for a child they didn't consent to is complete pie in the sky. The reality is even men who were married to the mother and wanted the child can walk away without being forced to pay a penny.