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Anyone familiar with getting refunds for train tickets?

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 16:58

Have namechanged as this is outing.
I’ve been turned down for a train ticket refund, via the app I bought the tickets from, with no explanation and the only option to follow up is through automated chat which isn’t helpful.

I’m hoping if I can explain the circumstances someone could point me in the right direction.

Ds and I had tickets to return home from a short trip to London. As Kings Cross northern line is out of action we had to go to St Pancras instead - we got there an hour early (DS is autistic, being organised and early helps him) to be herded by East Midlands Railway staff into a queue that had over a thousand passengers waiting for a train (I am also autistic and didn’t have the time to process the unexpected - with hindsight I know exactly what I should have done!).
Our train was the 18.02 to Sheffield but all ticket systems were abandoned in favour of a “queue everyone up and cram as many people onto a train as possible” chaotic disaster.
EMR staff were shouting at people to keep them as close to each other as possible, and were avoiding passengers as many were, understandably, angry.
We queued for over an hour and a half, couldn’t see anyone to talk to, were too jammed in to easily get out of the queue, when ds had a meltdown - he was trying to run away and was sobbing (his first public meltdown), so we had to push backwards out of the queue to get out. By that time we would miss our last connecting train which would add more chaos for ds, so i eventually found someone who would talk to me, who was lovely and said she could get us on the next train, but agreed that by that stage we would be better applying for a refund for that journey, buying another set of tickets and booking assistance.
I did that, and had to book an extra night at a hotel as ds by that time was unable to travel anywhere. I booked more tickets, applied for a refund, booked assistance, all well.
The refund has been refused so including the hotel I’m over £200 down.

I knew the northern line was down, but was certain that ds could cope with the journey based on the (I think) reasonable assumption that we’d get on the train we booked (I’ve travelled on trains a lot and have never had anything like this happen!). Ds managed the train journeys the next day fine, helped by being able to avoid the initial queue as I’d booked assistance (which I will do from now on!).

EMR says I have to apply through the app I bought the tickets from (TrainPal), but they’ve rejected the claim.

What do I do? Can I ask EMR for the cost of the hotel back too?

Had there been any warning that they would adopt a first come first served system, ignoring any of the times that passengers had booked, I would have had time to make other arrangements. Apart from knowing that the journey would take three trains instead of 1, and being 1-2 hours longer, there was no warning of the utter chaos that was St Pancras on Sunday night.

Thank you if you’ve managed to get through all of that!

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LIZS · 21/02/2024 17:17

Had you booked Assistance ? If so did that not give you priority? Ime third party apps do not give same ease of refund. Did you use the ticket next day?

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 17:25

LIZS · 21/02/2024 17:17

Had you booked Assistance ? If so did that not give you priority? Ime third party apps do not give same ease of refund. Did you use the ticket next day?

I booked assistance for the next day - up to it happening I had no idea we might need it. I’m used to train travel and the usual issues that crop up.

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 17:27

I had to buy a new ticket for the next day. The existing ticket only covered the specific date and time.

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LIZS · 21/02/2024 17:41

But that train presumably ran? You might be able to get a refund for the unused portion but doubt the hotel.

LIZS · 21/02/2024 17:43

Often of there are issues the tickets become flexible and you can use on a later train or even next day.

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 17:47

LIZS · 21/02/2024 17:41

But that train presumably ran? You might be able to get a refund for the unused portion but doubt the hotel.

The 18.02 train ran, but nobody who booked 18.02 tickets were able to get on that train.
Had I known this could happen I would have made other arrangements.
Is that not a reason for a refund?

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BreakfastAtMimis · 21/02/2024 17:56

I doubt you are entitled to a refund if there were trains running that evening and you chose not to take one of them.
Was the 18:02 train you should have got on delayed at all? If so you might be able to get some money back under delay repay.

NotDavidTennant · 21/02/2024 18:00

Your claim will likely have been assesssed by an automated system that can see that your train left and arrived on time so will deem you ineligible for a refund. You need to find a way to speak to a human being to explain your circumstances.

EmmaStone · 21/02/2024 18:04

I had a run of reclaims once and there was a delay in decision, I seem to recall either contacting via SM or perhaps if there was a contact option, which sorted things out.

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:09

* How do I cancel my ticket for a refund? 󰄽
Advance Tickets: 
Advance tickets are non-refundable but can be changed.
For details, see the answer to the question "How do I change my ticket?".

Off-Peak, Super Off-Peak, and Anytime tickets (Flexible tickets):
Flexible tickets are refundable before the end of the 28-day validity period. 
To cancel your tickets:
Step 1: Download TrainPal App
Step 2: Log in to the current account on TrainPal App or sign in with the contact email of your order on TrainPal App
Step 3: Agree to import tickets in TrainPal App - My tickets
Step 4: Find your bookings in "My tickets".
Step 5: Select "Refund".

If you've collected your ticket on departure (TOD) tickets but they haven't been used, we'll process the refund once we've received your tickets. Please mail your tickets to the following address:
Train Services Team
Trip.com
1st Floor, 1 Lochrin Square
92 Fountainbridge
Edinburgh, United Kingdom
EH3 9QA*

Have you tried this? Are you able to amend the journey if you plan t9 travel again?

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:13

The train on Sunday wasn’t delayed, but there was no way to get on it as there were over 1000 people between us and it.
If we’d waited for a train we could have got on, it would have been 19.32, an hour and a half after the train we booked.

I don’t know if I’m being stupid here expecting to be able to catch a train at the time I’ve paid over £100 for tickets for.

If I have no grounds for a refund it is what it is, but this seems crazy!

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BoohooWoohoo · 21/02/2024 18:13

The train ticket would have allowed you to get on a train later than the 18:02 because of the disruption.
I wouldn’t expect the hotel to be refunded.

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:14

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:09

* How do I cancel my ticket for a refund? 󰄽
Advance Tickets: 
Advance tickets are non-refundable but can be changed.
For details, see the answer to the question "How do I change my ticket?".

Off-Peak, Super Off-Peak, and Anytime tickets (Flexible tickets):
Flexible tickets are refundable before the end of the 28-day validity period. 
To cancel your tickets:
Step 1: Download TrainPal App
Step 2: Log in to the current account on TrainPal App or sign in with the contact email of your order on TrainPal App
Step 3: Agree to import tickets in TrainPal App - My tickets
Step 4: Find your bookings in "My tickets".
Step 5: Select "Refund".

If you've collected your ticket on departure (TOD) tickets but they haven't been used, we'll process the refund once we've received your tickets. Please mail your tickets to the following address:
Train Services Team
Trip.com
1st Floor, 1 Lochrin Square
92 Fountainbridge
Edinburgh, United Kingdom
EH3 9QA*

Have you tried this? Are you able to amend the journey if you plan t9 travel again?

I tried that at the time but as the train we’d booked to go on had already gone it wasn’t an option, as it classed it as me missing the train, rather than what actually happened.

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:16

BoohooWoohoo · 21/02/2024 18:13

The train ticket would have allowed you to get on a train later than the 18:02 because of the disruption.
I wouldn’t expect the hotel to be refunded.

It did, but with a huge long wait that there was no warning of, that my son couldn’t manage, and staff avoiding telling passengers what was going on.

Edited to add: a long wait which meant we’d miss connecting trains so have the stress of that on top of it all.

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Greensleevevssnotnose · 21/02/2024 18:18

Raise a complaint with the ticket agency, or with the payment provider. I always use PayPal for train tickets and book on Trainline both have been great at refunding when required. I'm sure if you persevere you will get a refund. There must be records of the disruption

TellySavalashairbrush · 21/02/2024 18:19

Watching with interest. I made a claim for a refund yesterday (was unable to touch in at my destination after touching out on the way there - no machine available at destination station) bought a ticket via Trainline and advised to contact TFL for refund, they were the rudest customer services I’ve ever dealt with. Online help was useless too. Think I’m going to be out of pocket through no fault of my own.

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:19

But if you missed a connection the train company is obliged to get you to end of journey, by taxi if needs be. Have you written to that address or just tried the app process?

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:20

NotDavidTennant · 21/02/2024 18:00

Your claim will likely have been assesssed by an automated system that can see that your train left and arrived on time so will deem you ineligible for a refund. You need to find a way to speak to a human being to explain your circumstances.

I’ll try to find an EMR customer services number and talk it through with someone.

I think possibly the problem is that I don’t understand how the approach EMR took to deal with this issue is ok.

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:22

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:19

But if you missed a connection the train company is obliged to get you to end of journey, by taxi if needs be. Have you written to that address or just tried the app process?

I knew this would be the case, but by 7pm it wasn’t an option as my son couldn’t deal with it.

Had there been some warning of the chaos I would have had time to change my tickets and to book assistance - neither of which I thought were necessary when we arrived at the station.

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TitInATrance · 21/02/2024 18:22

I have had a (delay repay) refund in full when my booked train arrived at the station too full for passengers to board, and the next one was over an hour later. I don’t think you get the hotel paid though.

BreakfastAtMimis · 21/02/2024 18:22

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:19

But if you missed a connection the train company is obliged to get you to end of journey, by taxi if needs be. Have you written to that address or just tried the app process?

She deliberately missed the connection because she didn't get on a train until the next day!
This would only have applied if she'd taken the later train that evening and missed the connection then.

LIZS · 21/02/2024 18:24

No, but op was mentioning that as a reason not to wait. EMR are not likely to refund tickets from a third party.

IntriguingFactJumble · 21/02/2024 18:24

I have had trouble with the app and last time I wrote a letter and sent that instead. That way I could explain clearly. Got the refund vouchers shortly after that. If a chat doesn't work maybe try a letter. Good luck.

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:25

By the time it was clear that travelling that night was no longer an option I was unable to change the tickets, and because they were specifically for the 18th at 18.02 EMR staff told me I’d be unable to use them the next day, so to ask for a refund as we physically couldn’t get on the train we’d booked tickets for.

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:25

IntriguingFactJumble · 21/02/2024 18:24

I have had trouble with the app and last time I wrote a letter and sent that instead. That way I could explain clearly. Got the refund vouchers shortly after that. If a chat doesn't work maybe try a letter. Good luck.

I’ll give that a go, thank you.

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