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Weird mystery about book called "The Secret History"!

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badger2005 · 17/02/2024 23:26

Can anyone help me solve this mystery by checking their copy? It's so weird!

I read this cult-ish book by Donna Tartt as a 20-something year old and distinctly remember a line from it. But my son has just finished reading the book (new copy that I bought him - I've lost my old one), and when I quoted the line to him, he did not recognize it. We checked, and it's not in his book, nor in any version that we can find online! So you'd think that I dreamt this - except that it is also quoted in just one place - a single obscure essay on the book that I found online.

The line is in this part where the college students are assigned a new tutor, and when he tries to teach them something one of the students says (in perfect 'attic Greek'): "Without your patience my excellent friend, we should wallow in ignorance like pigs in a sty". Or something pretty much like that...

My son thinks that I'm misremembering - but how I can be when it also is in this obscure essay? His alternative theory is that this is Mandela syndrome and me and some random scholar are having a collective hallucination!

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ClawdeenWolf · 18/02/2024 20:01

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this as haven't RTFT but I know a few years ago it was discovered that there were significant differences found between the UK and US versions of Cloud Atlas. People hadn't realised there could be such differences between copies.

Piggywaspushed · 18/02/2024 20:05

I said that Miss!

But , at the time, people were worrying about offence to pigs.

Shortandfat · 18/02/2024 22:14

CatChant · 18/02/2024 15:09

@nonevernotever Thank you! A first edition of Charlotte Sometimes is definitely on the wish list. I think I might have to do a lot of saving up though.

I wonder if the edition @Shortandfat read to her class without the letter was edited in an attempt to make the story more up to date - because Emily, who had been a child in the First World War, had a daughter in the Sixth Form in Charlotte’s present, which was becoming very far in the reader’s past.

Interesting to read about the different editions.
My version didn't have an extra chapter, it ended with the letter and reflections.

The version I read in the 90s ended with her unscrewing the bed head, finding the old diary, hoping there would be a message from Clare, and finding her final message instead, ending on the line "all the remaining pages were blank".

I found it a much bleaker end than Emily's letter and the toys.

I do think I read somewhere that Charlotte Sometimes was originally part of a loosely connected series which might explain the original "extra extra" chapter about her journey home.

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CatChant · 19/02/2024 10:17

@Shortandfat That does sound a bleak ending. At least Emily’s letter is back in the modern Vintage edition, which irritatingly, claims on the back cover to be “The Original Unabridged Text” - only thanks to @nonevernotever we know it’s not!

I think you might well be right about the original ‘extra extra’ text connecting the story to the other two books, which are as far as I recall, very, very different in style.

The first is The Summer Birds, in which a mysterious boy teaches Charlotte (pre-boarding school), her younger sister Emma and the other village children how to fly like birds. It is delightful in a very different way to Charlotte Sometimes.

The second is Emma in Winter, which I borrowed from the library as a child. I don’t remember that much about it but I do remember being disappointed Charlotte wasn’t in it, just her sister, and a pervading atmosphere of coldness and loneliness. I’ve just looked for it on Abe Books and it is rare and very expensive - fall off your chair expensive!

LambriniBobinIsleworth · 19/02/2024 10:43

Not in my five year old kindle version.

Weird mystery about book called "The Secret History"!
RubaiyatOfAnyone · 19/02/2024 23:19

CatChant · 18/02/2024 09:55

@Shortandfat I have two copies of Charlotte Sometimes. My original, now very fragile, 1976 Puffin edition contains the letter from the grown-up Emily and then two further pages of text dealing with the end of term and Charlotte’s thoughts on the journey home.

My second 2013 Vintage edition ends with the letter and two paragraphs of Charlotte’s reaction to it. This copy was meant to be a back-up for my first one since it has been read so many times it is close to falling apart, but without those missing pages it can’t be.

I wonder if someone with a first edition of Charlotte Sometimes could add their tuppence worth.

Thanks to this thread i checked my copy of Charlotte Sometimes and i think it is a (very cheap and yellowing) 1969 first edition.
ends with Charlotte’s journey on the train home, a page or two after the letter from Emily, as in the attached photos.

which is odd, because i’m sure the version i grew up with was the “the rest of the pages were blank” bleakness.

Weird mystery about book called "The Secret History"!
Weird mystery about book called "The Secret History"!
Weird mystery about book called "The Secret History"!
CatChant · 20/02/2024 10:43

@RubaiyatOfAnyone oh, I have first edition envy! Failing that, I wish someone would reprint Charlotte Sometimes in full.

I remember seeing a blog post by Penelope Farmer about her children telling her there was a song called Charlotte Sometimes on the radio, and how she then met Robert Smith and saw The Cure performing. But it seems sad that The Cure song is so much better known than the wonderful haunting novel which inspired it.

Right, off to write in Henry’s missing quote on page 587 of my 1993 Penguin The Secret History!

nonevernotever · 23/02/2024 16:17

CatChant · 20/02/2024 10:43

@RubaiyatOfAnyone oh, I have first edition envy! Failing that, I wish someone would reprint Charlotte Sometimes in full.

I remember seeing a blog post by Penelope Farmer about her children telling her there was a song called Charlotte Sometimes on the radio, and how she then met Robert Smith and saw The Cure performing. But it seems sad that The Cure song is so much better known than the wonderful haunting novel which inspired it.

Right, off to write in Henry’s missing quote on page 587 of my 1993 Penguin The Secret History!

@CatChant I've PMed you

girlwhowearsglasses · 23/02/2024 16:29

Loved this book so much - bought it when it came out after reading an extract in - possibly - vogue or similar in 1992 I guess.

i don’t think I’ve read it since but gosh it stuck in the brain. It was the summer before uni for me so I must have missed a lot through naivety.

must read again!

CatChant · 23/02/2024 17:18

nonevernotever · 23/02/2024 16:17

@CatChant I've PMed you

@nonevernotever I have, with some degree of trial and error, PMed you back.

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