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BrownTableMat · 19/01/2024 12:39

I’m so sorry you went through that, vidflex. Totally inadequate to say so, but all I can think of to say.

It doesn’t take a genius (though perhaps it does take not having lived a totally protected life) to understand that there are a million reasons why this girl or woman might have felt abandoning her newborn to be the only option, none of which would be helped by punishing her.

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 12:40

It wasn't exactly a desolate area, corner of two roads in London and not the early hours of the morning so pretty certain to be found quite quickly. From the first post I assumed the baby was found on some quiet footpath somewhere. If the photograph is actually of the place it's right by a traffic light controlled pedestrian crossing.

ElleLeopine · 19/01/2024 12:43

@vidflex I am so sorry that you were in that awful position.

Are you able to share what you ended up doing, and how it worked out for you and your family?

LadyKenya · 19/01/2024 12:43

I'm sure the apologists will be out in force - whoever left the baby must be in distress, they need help etc. That may be true. But I cannot get my head around this.

I would suggest in that case, you do some self reflection, I really do.

MrsColinRobinson · 19/01/2024 12:45

BrownTableMat · 19/01/2024 12:39

I’m so sorry you went through that, vidflex. Totally inadequate to say so, but all I can think of to say.

It doesn’t take a genius (though perhaps it does take not having lived a totally protected life) to understand that there are a million reasons why this girl or woman might have felt abandoning her newborn to be the only option, none of which would be helped by punishing her.

This completely!

To OP and the few others looking to punish the poor mother, how wonderful that you live privileged lives meaning you can't comprehend what might lead a woman or girl to do this. You should take time to reflect on your own fortune. Your complete lack of empathy says a lot about you.

I judge you lacking this ability far more than anyone abandoning their baby. Do you honestly think anyone could do that without being totally desperate?

LauderSyme · 19/01/2024 12:46

Here is an interesting article about safe spaces for abandoned babies. It is over 4 years old unfortunately:

apolitical.co/solution-articles/en/baby-boxes-allow-mothers-to-drop-off-unwanted-children?share=copy&uuid=article

MrsMarzetti · 19/01/2024 12:54

Mariposistaaa · 19/01/2024 11:33

I hope the mother is not found. They would give her a quick once over and then treat her like a dirty criminal. The poor girl is probably desperate - who knows? Very young? Victim of abuse? Unable to speak the language? How easy it is to judge from the comfort of your heated home.
Hope she is ok wherever she is.

How do you know she is only a girl?

Silvers11 · 19/01/2024 12:54

Yozzer87 · 19/01/2024 12:31

Unless the mother of the baby was a child herself or had a severe learning disability, I'm sorry, but I have no compassion. That baby was left to die and whoever left it there knew there was a high likelihood that baby could die. The baby is the priority in this case.

And you know the baby was left to die because...?

SquirmOfEels · 19/01/2024 12:54

Silverbirchtwo · 19/01/2024 12:40

It wasn't exactly a desolate area, corner of two roads in London and not the early hours of the morning so pretty certain to be found quite quickly. From the first post I assumed the baby was found on some quiet footpath somewhere. If the photograph is actually of the place it's right by a traffic light controlled pedestrian crossing.

I've realised I recognise exactly where it is.

It's on the junction between a High Street (which isn't shops at that very point, but which is well used) and the Greenway, which is a popular leisure path which is in constant use by dog-walkers, ramblers, cyclists and runners. (By constant, I mean that it's rare that there's not at least one other user in sight at any given moment you're along there)

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 19/01/2024 12:55

Poor poor mother.

This baby could be the result of rape / imcest or so many other reasons.

This mother has obiv been unable to gain an abortion for one of many reasons, and has probably hidden the pregnancy as best she could.

I guess she may have given birth by herself.

So she didn't feel able to walk into a hospital / police station and hand the baby over...
of course she didn't ! her face / details would be all over social media / press asking who she is !

and the hospital / police station won't accept the baby and say ' Thank you so much '

Let's look for the father !

Anisette · 19/01/2024 12:55

Yozzer87 · 19/01/2024 12:31

Unless the mother of the baby was a child herself or had a severe learning disability, I'm sorry, but I have no compassion. That baby was left to die and whoever left it there knew there was a high likelihood that baby could die. The baby is the priority in this case.

You aren't sorry, are you?

You need to do a LOT of work on self-education.

Original poster

Eastie77Returns · 19/01/2024 12:56

I wish people would read my post.

I didn't say the mother should be punished because, as stated, I have no idea if the mother left the baby. For all we know, she is sick/unconscious somewhere and the baby was taken and left by someone else - perhaps a father who decided he didn't want the baby.

I didnt't call for a distressed, sick or mentally ill mother to be punished or imprisoned. Obviously if a mentally unwell woman or 15 year old desperate child left the baby that is a different story. She should be helped.

I was talking about perhaps a callous person (aforementioned father or a trafficker) jwho ust dumped a baby.

But carry on reading what you actually want to read as opposed to the actual post.

OP posts:

SnapdragonToadflax · 19/01/2024 12:58

It is highly unlikely that the person who did this was mentally well or safe. They will have felt that they didn't have a choice, and quite possibly didn't want the baby to survive. It is very, very sad and I'm so glad the baby was found, but blaming is not the priority here.

avocadotoaststoppedmebuyingahouse · 19/01/2024 12:59

The mother may have been watching from a distance to make sure the baby was found.

GreyTS · 19/01/2024 13:00

Oh come on @Eastie77Returns this is what you said

''The person who did this (no idea if it was mum, dad or someone else) should be charged. With what, I don't know. Attempted murder? I mean the baby was found by a dog walker, completely chance.

I'm sure the apologists will be out in force - whoever left the baby must be in distress, they need help etc. That may be true. But I cannot get my head around this''

No point rolling back now that poster after poster has pointed out how wrong you are,

Marblessolveeverything · 19/01/2024 13:01

Previous cases related to trafficked and held women. Either way the woman who gave birth needs at a minimum medical assessment and a welfare check.

Notts90 · 19/01/2024 13:01

Thank god the poor thing was found.

I hope the mother comes forward and accesses support. I can't imagine the circumstances behind putting your newborn in a carrier bag and leaving them.

trippily · 19/01/2024 13:02

TERFisTHEnewTREND · 19/01/2024 11:19

God bless everyone in this story. There are no winners here. I hope both mother and baby are doing well.

This ❤️

Silvers11 · 19/01/2024 13:02

Eastie77Returns · 19/01/2024 12:56

I wish people would read my post.

I didn't say the mother should be punished because, as stated, I have no idea if the mother left the baby. For all we know, she is sick/unconscious somewhere and the baby was taken and left by someone else - perhaps a father who decided he didn't want the baby.

I didnt't call for a distressed, sick or mentally ill mother to be punished or imprisoned. Obviously if a mentally unwell woman or 15 year old desperate child left the baby that is a different story. She should be helped.

I was talking about perhaps a callous person (aforementioned father or a trafficker) jwho ust dumped a baby.

But carry on reading what you actually want to read as opposed to the actual post.

The person who did this (no idea if it was mum, dad or someone else) should be charged. With what, I don't know. Attempted murder? I mean the baby was found by a dog walker, completely chance.

Actually, you did say exactly that, (the above is an exact quote from your original post), which is why you are getting the replies you are. You didn't qualify that you meant you were only referring to callous people ( and from what you wrote originally I think you're back-tracking now because few people are agreeing with you)?

Diamonde · 19/01/2024 13:03

Abandoning the baby is one thing.

It should have been wrapped In a jumper, blanket, pillowcase, coat. For me, that's the part that stands out the most. And personally, o don't think there's any reason not to, as it's something you would plan on advance.

The mother needs help, but this is something that should have been done.

vidflex · 19/01/2024 13:03

"The person who did this (no idea if it was mum, dad or someone else) should be charged. With what, I don't know. Attempted murder? I mean the baby was found by a dog walker, completely chance"

You clearly state the mum as possibly one of the people who did this and that they should be charged. No use going back on what you've said once you've realised almost everyone who replied disagreed with you.

Notonthestairs · 19/01/2024 13:03

"The person who did this (no idea if it was mum, dad or someone else) should be charged. With what, I don't know. Attempted murder? I mean the baby was found by a dog walker, completely chance.

I'm sure the apologists will be out in force - whoever left the baby must be in distress, they need help etc. That may be true. But I cannot get my head around this."

It doesn't sound like you were waiting to find out the circumstances at all.

As said early on there are no winners here.

FuckingHellAdele · 19/01/2024 13:04

Eastie77Returns · 19/01/2024 12:56

I wish people would read my post.

I didn't say the mother should be punished because, as stated, I have no idea if the mother left the baby. For all we know, she is sick/unconscious somewhere and the baby was taken and left by someone else - perhaps a father who decided he didn't want the baby.

I didnt't call for a distressed, sick or mentally ill mother to be punished or imprisoned. Obviously if a mentally unwell woman or 15 year old desperate child left the baby that is a different story. She should be helped.

I was talking about perhaps a callous person (aforementioned father or a trafficker) jwho ust dumped a baby.

But carry on reading what you actually want to read as opposed to the actual post.

That's just out and out false.

I'm a bit embarrassed for you actually.

its2024 · 19/01/2024 13:04

It's very sad and no-one knows the circumstances off what lead to this. Yes they could have dumped the baby outside hospital etc but they were probably worried about cctv or being seen. We don't know if it was the mother or someone connected.

If they didn't want to baby to be found it would have been dumped in the river, bin somewhere more derelict, yes the baby still might off not been found or maybe they could have been close by watching.

If it was the mother she would have been desperate and not in her right mind, she's needs help not punishment.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 19/01/2024 13:04

The misogyny in this thread is stunning.

We have zero evidence the child was left by the mother, it could have been the father or a pimp or a household keeping her in modern slavery. We just don't know.
But somehow it HAD to be the mother. 🙄

I mean it was probably the mother but we just don't know and judging the mother or saying she should be charged when she might be dead or have had her child ripped away from her because it was a girl or anything else at all is just so sexist.

Wait for the facts.