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NMW to rise to £11.44 per hour in April 2024

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MikeRafone · 21/11/2023 19:00

Good news for those on NMW, as there wages will rise from £10.42 to £11.44

This is a big rise before a general election...

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Thmssngvwlsrnd · 22/11/2023 07:31

That will mean the end of the preschool I work in 😔When they were talking about wages rising to £11 per hour we started to worry. But there's no way they can stretch to £11.44 per staff member.

Peablockfeathers · 22/11/2023 07:31

Its good the government is recognising that due to the increases in living costs people need a raise; this surely means the public sector workers will finally see a fair pay rise, right? I'm sure they've considered too the impact on small businesses or funded models such as the GP contract and will be offering support for its implementation, right?

Howpo · 22/11/2023 07:35

Peablockfeathers · 22/11/2023 07:31

Its good the government is recognising that due to the increases in living costs people need a raise; this surely means the public sector workers will finally see a fair pay rise, right? I'm sure they've considered too the impact on small businesses or funded models such as the GP contract and will be offering support for its implementation, right?

No, they are electioneering, pure n simple.

Zero concern for public sector workers, same with headline cuts in NI, we ve almost 3 trillion of public debt @ 98% of GDP, we need to get that down.

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Namenotavailableagain · 22/11/2023 07:35

Sandalholidays12 · 22/11/2023 06:57

@Hellocatshome @Namenotavailableagain I think its a bit ignorant to assume people earning 30k have little responsibility. In fact not everyone earning 40k is doing such a "busy" job they pass the book, get away with doing very little work at times seen as though they may be the manager sometimes.

Lots of people will have a huge responsibility and they earn less than 30k don't let hierarchy cloud your judgement.

I didn't say that. I said those on 30k won't be happy because they have responsibility and the gap will be closed

rosseyv · 22/11/2023 07:41

Sandalholidays12 · 22/11/2023 07:29

@rosseyv I'm interested too! Not only that... Will that bring a Band 2 and 3 to the same hourly rate? NHS has already made loads of cuts with reducing agency...

Genuinely fascinated what they intend to do. Morale is so low. If they don't increase the higher bands to maintain the same gap I can see people walking out, or choosing to drop down a band. Absolutely no point carrying on, as you can't use Band 3 as a stepping stone to anything else in this department, without reducing your income to below min wage whilst you complete an apprenticeship. After 2 years of significantly reduced wages they'd then give you about £75 p/month more as a Band 4. No point!

Band 3/Band 4 is quite tricky in the NHS. Not a good place to be.

tothelefttotheleft · 22/11/2023 07:48

PurpleBugz · 21/11/2023 21:36

The impact on the childcare sector will be bad. The knock on effect to working (usually mothers) will make working untenable for many. Even if childcare is subsidised we will loose many childminders

Good childcare professionals are qualified experienced and have huge responsibilities. Im self employed and haven't put my prices up in 10 years, im on less than minimum wage work very hard and still have to listen to people moan my services cost too much.

And what about the effects on schools? In particular SEND children where they need 1:1 support. Already LAs don't pay enough to cover this for the kids who need it. This will be devastating for SEND provision.

Why are you working for less than minimum wage?

Toffeebythesea · 22/11/2023 07:53

@Beezknees
"Why are you not being paid more?

You should be paid more, not minimum wage workers be paid less."

You're absolutely right. That's what many public sector workers have been on strike for but the government aren't listening so I'm not sure what more can be done.

I new I was underpaid but this post has really illustrated for me just by how much

KateyCuckoo · 22/11/2023 07:53

tothelefttotheleft · 22/11/2023 07:48

Why are you working for less than minimum wage?

Minimum wage doesn't apply to self employed. Many childminders are on less (some a lot less) once expenses are taken in to consideration.

Look how many people complain about their childcare fees already though...

tothelefttotheleft · 22/11/2023 07:55

@KateyCuckoo

I had no idea. Thankyou for explaining that to me.

QueenCamilla · 22/11/2023 07:59

@Hellocatshome
But per my earlier post - you can't be evaluating your life/career satisfaction based on maintaining the wage gap between you and other workers. YOUR LOT. Focus on your lot. That's the only one you have some control over and you're clearly not happy with it. I can't see how NMW rise would affect the perception of my employment negatively if I was in a reasonably paid job that I enjoyed. If the only cornerstone of your value is getting paid a few quid more than the paupers... It really is NOT worth the bother. Not for you.

Sirzy · 22/11/2023 08:02

It’s going to have a knock on for a lot of people claiming carers allowance unless the work limit is increased. You can only earn £139 a week so anyone working more than 12 hours a week will be stuffed.

Shinyandnew1 · 22/11/2023 08:03

Am I right in thinking NHS Band 2 is £10.57 an hour?

smilesup · 22/11/2023 08:05

Jellykat · 21/11/2023 19:05

Great, now they'll reduce my hours

Then you can get a second job. I have 3!

HouseofHolbein · 22/11/2023 08:17

One thing to bear in mind is that there are very very few supermarket/retail jobs on full time hours. Most are 12 or 16 hours with overtime as available. This increase will mean that overtime is no longer available so everyone will be working contract hours.

When I was in a supermarket I took a team leader position because I then got 28 hours a week. The 20p an hour increase was immaterial tbh. I could just about manage on 28 hours. No way could I survive on my previous 10 hour a week contract.

My husband is in retail and has a 30 hour contract. This is very unusual. Generally the only people on decent guaranteed hours are those who have been there for 20+ years.

Personally I moved into adult care because I get 35 hours a week and a defined shift pattern. I work some 14 hour days but that's ok.

The majority of minimum wage jobs will not be full time. It's always better to go for the extra hours rather than the 'easier' job on NMW.

Oh and btw I am so much less stressed since I left my supermarket job. I used to have to run around like an idiot with management complaining all the time always watching the clock so we didn't have stuff going out late (home delivery) never having enough staff or support from above. The job used to consume my time at home. Would not really recommend.

Namenotavailableagain · 22/11/2023 08:25

QueenCamilla · 22/11/2023 07:59

@Hellocatshome
But per my earlier post - you can't be evaluating your life/career satisfaction based on maintaining the wage gap between you and other workers. YOUR LOT. Focus on your lot. That's the only one you have some control over and you're clearly not happy with it. I can't see how NMW rise would affect the perception of my employment negatively if I was in a reasonably paid job that I enjoyed. If the only cornerstone of your value is getting paid a few quid more than the paupers... It really is NOT worth the bother. Not for you.

This is true but it will create masses of resentment among teams

FindingMeno · 22/11/2023 08:32

It's a help, but doesn't bridge the gap in any significant way given the way everything costs SO much more.
I won't say no to it obviously, but I still won't vote Tory either.

ginandtonicwithlimes · 22/11/2023 08:50

smilesup · 22/11/2023 08:05

Then you can get a second job. I have 3!

Why should anyone need two or three jobs to make ends meet?

ginandtonicwithlimes · 22/11/2023 08:55

@HouseofHolbein The only ones in our retail that are guaranteed 30 hours are those who are fully flexible so parents, students etc are penalised.

chumblywumbly · 22/11/2023 08:59

I work two jobs.

My full time job doesn't pay me enough to live on and with this NMW increase now won't be much above NMW. It won't get increased to reflect NMW and I suspect next increase will mean I'm on minimum wage as it will catch me up.

My other job is part time NMW and I don't think my employer can afford the increase so I expect I'll be replaced by an under 21.

So while I'm glad - people should be paid more - this will probably make me a lot worse off.

HouseofHolbein · 22/11/2023 09:00

ginandtonicwithlimes · 22/11/2023 08:55

@HouseofHolbein The only ones in our retail that are guaranteed 30 hours are those who are fully flexible so parents, students etc are penalised.

Yeah I had to be fully flexible for my 28 hours which meant between 4am-11pm. Oddly my colleague who wrote the rotas thought her fully flex was between 6am and 5pm so screwed us over with shifts (one reason I left tbh)

Husband has set hours because he was taken on for a specific role which has to be done at that time. He is quite fortunate in that.

Papyrophile · 22/11/2023 09:07

Following this change, DS will be getting 6p per hour above NMW, instead of the £1.06 ph premium currently earned for the expertise. I

yepmeagain · 22/11/2023 09:13

Hellocatshome · 21/11/2023 20:20

The thing with all these NMW increases which are obviously great for the lowest earners mean there is now little point in me having all the stress/responsibility of my job for just a few pence an hour more.

This!

And I work in the public sector. Had we not just had a 6% pay rise I would have been below the new NMW!

elliejjtiny · 22/11/2023 09:17

Haver74 · 21/11/2023 21:10

What professional job do you do that only pays that amount? Hard to believe it's an actual profession.

Lots of professional jobs pay that much. My dh used to manage a nursery on barely above minimum wage. He had a degree and post grad qualifications (as was required in the job description), working unpaid overtime every day, no sick leave and then he was sacked for taking too much unpaid parental leave when our child was in intensive care.

He now works for an employer who declares him as SE so they don't have to pay NMW.

smilesup · 22/11/2023 09:21

They shouldn't! But if poster was worried about hours being cut then they can go and get more work elsewhere. I personally like having lots of jobs as I get really bored in one role. I'm very privileged in that I am paid well above NLW.and have 3 roles that I love.

HouseofHolbein · 22/11/2023 09:36

Problem with having more than one job is that a lot of retail jobs expect you to be fully flex so you have different shifts each week but you are only guaranteed 12/16 hours. It's very difficult to get a second job that can be as flexible as you need.

When I was a home delivery picker it would have been easier because I was needed from 5-10am generally. However now on the day orders come through all day so no guarantee you will be doing early mornings.

Management want it to be your only job but don't want to give enough hours to make it a living wage.

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