NMW to rise to £11.44 per hour in April 2024

[MikeRafone]

Good news for those on NMW, as there wages will rise from £10.42 to £11.44

This is a big rise before a general election...

@SoMuchSimpler I don't know why you quoted me because you didn't respond to a single point I made in my post and didn't even address the same age demographic 🤷🏻‍♀️

It doesn't. That's if you have kids over 12, over 5 is 25 hours. I'm a claimant myself.

Why are you not being paid more?

You should be paid more, not minimum wage workers be paid less.

I had a kid when I was 18. I left home when I was 17.

I think it’s a good thing. Lots of lower paid workers end up being subsidised by benefits especially if they have children / high rent. If businesses pay living wages then less workers need subsidised by the tax payer.

So you think the NMW is only going to increase by 20p ph in the next 10 years?

If the Costa worker keeps getting an inflation beating NMW pay rise over the next 10 years (very likely) and the Nurse gets (based on what has happened over the last 13 years) pay freezes or below inflation pay rises, the Costa worker will be earning the same as a HCP.

We are heading for a situation where those working in public sector will all be on the NMW, the NI tax cuts we will all cheer for today are being paid by Teachers and Nurses etc getting below inflation pay rises & seeing student loan payments increase.

Fine let me retrain for 4/5 years - shall use that magic wand to poof money for a 2nd degree and post grad qual and years of not earning?

I'm sorry at 16 that the Conservative government cut connextions so I didn't get career advice to go Into the career you think I should go to 🙄

Should every single person earning £30k less move into these roles. What happens to all the roles which are needed, but aren't well paid?

@Toffeebythesea thats the problem.

I work in veterinary. Some nurses who are 10 years qualified are only on £13/hr, some less. What’s the point in qualifying. The majority of RVNs have a degree plus maintain professional registration, complete CPD. It’s a hard job but they will be working alongside people with no qualifications for almost the same. It demoralises staff massively, in a profession that’s already struggling. I expect it’s the same in so many private sectors as well as the NHS.

Yes, they could get another job but then who does that job? Nobody? So you’ll have a load of jobs on the lower paid end that nobody fills because it becomes pointless. Most business owners can’t or won’t pay staff more so the gap becomes tiny.

While it may seem good, a lot of us on NWM will be fucked by this as it will reduce the amount of UC by quite a lot, I'll actually end up worse off.... if I don't get made part time that is

Well good for the ones on nmw ... I get £11.76 NHS band 3... so they dodged that one!

@Hellocatshome @Namenotavailableagain I think its a bit ignorant to assume people earning 30k have little responsibility. In fact not everyone earning 40k is doing such a "busy" job they pass the book, get away with doing very little work at times seen as though they may be the manager sometimes.

Lots of people will have a huge responsibility and they earn less than 30k don't let hierarchy cloud your judgement.

It won't, the more you earn the better off you are with UC. I think it's reduced by 70p for every pound you earn or something like that. So we will be better off, not by a huge amount admittedly but a little.

You also shouldn't make assumptions. When I say I am earning pennies more than people on NMW and my job comes with a lot of responsibilities and expectations that the people on NMW jobs in my company don't have I mean it as I know my circumstances and you don't I am not talking £30/40k salaries in my case as I earn less than £20k a year.

I'm quite amused by the sick thinking of the "professionals" here. Quite happy with their shitty wages just as long as there's enough people doing worse. The only worth seems to be in maintaining the gap, rather than actually bettering own lot.

How is it possible then to be worried about the wealth segregation and centralisation (London) in this country in general? The top tier have their own gap to maintain, don't cha know?

@Hellocatshome that's what my post posted out to you.... you've basically agreed with me. That's exactly what I said people on low wages have many responsibilities!

Sadly, I can see nurseries closing down over this

This will almost certainly be the case-it’s very worrying for anyone needing childcare in the next few years.

@Hellocatshome Why do you do it then? Sounds like you could earn at least the same, if not more, in one of those zero-responsibilities minimum wage jobs. Are you not happy with your own lot, or that of other people's?

Yes but when we are on low wages with lots of responsibility and there are SOME people on NMW with no responsibility and the NMW is very close to your low wage you do wonder why bother.

I'm pleased for those who need it but it means that we won't get an extra member of staff we desperately need to keep things up to date and not be behind all the time and to take on extra tasks management think we should be doing.

This will be the final nail in the coffin for a lot of SME’s.

I do it because it is my job and getting another job is only easy in the world of MN. I am perfectly happy that people on NMW are getting a pay increase it would just be nice if the people who have managed to secure a not NMW job got a pay increase in line so the gap remained the same. Otherwise those jobs suddenly become a lot less appealing and we do need people to fill those jobs. The world wouldn't work if we only had NMW or 40/50k a year jobs.

Very intrigued to see what happens to NHS Band 3 which is currently £11.67. For many this took a good couple of years of learning, qualification and experience to reach, plus plenty of supervisory responsibilities. There is absolutely no point doing that job anymore, as I'm very sure they won't raise that to £12.67+

May as well just get a nice job at M&S or Waitrose, and forget about work the minute you leave the premises.

Those at the bottom of the Band 3 pay scale are already reeling that the new Band 2s they supervise got uplifted to match what they worked 2 years to gain experience in.

Totally agree pay needs to increase to match the rest of the world, but this is tricky.

@Hellocatshome I'm afraid that's the world works. I do agree it's only on MN that you can just "retrain" bag another degree and change job roles. Life is unfair and if you have all these responsibilities you do need to do what's best for you? Why wouldn't in this climate? You've got bills to pay and it took covid for me to realise that my own personal morals won't pay the bills.

You look after you (first).

@rosseyv I'm interested too! Not only that... Will that bring a Band 2 and 3 to the same hourly rate? NHS has already made loads of cuts with reducing agency...

Well exactly. Looking forward to the cries of "Why is customer service so shit!" Next summer as this kicks in and companies seek to maintain or increase their profit. They're going to cut back on what staff they do have rather than take a hit, of course some companies I would think will genuinely struggle to pay it, meaning prices will go up as well.

Not that I don't think people should be paid a wage they can live on because I absolutely do, but people are mad if they think that those at the top are going to let it affect their margins. It'll be the staff left and the customers that pay the price for it.

That's what needs to change, to make things like this actually work and benefit the people it's supposed to, corporate greed.