LOVE the M&S ad

[Rainyday35]

I am so fed up of being told and shown how people should spend Christmas and how things should be done because that’s how they’ve always been…

Bah humbug I say! Sadly for some Christmas is all about routine and is a chore to please everyone!

Every year we get picture perfect images of what Christmas should look like - only for many it really doesn’t look like this for lots of reasons.

And as for the flag… I think people really are stretching if they think M&S were trying to make any political statement!

Right

Sophie E-B was rocking her eyeliner

Hannah W was burning Larry hard

Honestly some people are really reaching to find offense

It's a pity M & S pandered .

Honestly though, do you remember a time when not everything was A Political Message or sign of support? Wasn’t that a great time? I’m not convinced that this advert is that, but because of how divided we all are, that is what we look for and see.

This is why I'm glad l don't have a tv. Nothing but absolute trite.

I wish we could edit on the app!

I see my post got deleted - for saying that believing that a picture of party hats is a deliberate anti-Palestine statement is sheer conspiracism; and that people have lost their minds these days manufacturing offence out of things clearly not intended as subliminal political statements or anything of the sort.

I said I’ve never known a time when people have lost their minds so irrationally over conspiracy theories on social media. As another pp upthread said, it’s a serious problem in society now.

Getting my post about this deleted - and MN actually going ahead and deleting it - completely proves the point. Aren’t we allowed to point out obviously irrational beliefs any more?

Is this post going to get deleted too? Is it okay to spread baseless conspiracist claims that an ordinary Christmas ad deliberately includes a subliminal political message, and that’s all fine and okay to stand on the thread — but it’s NOT okay to call this out as ridiculous? What happened to truth and logic, MN? This is frigging ridiculous.

I liked it, it was lighthearted.

Your post got deleted because you repeatedly called someone a loony.

I loved it.

Everyone has something about Christmas that they dont like and wish they could throw away/chip/bat away!

My fav advert for a while.

I certainly didn’t — I said that kind of baseless internet conspiracism was downright loonery. Can’t you read properly?

@noblegiraffe yes I've seen the advert. I also commented about how I don't mind the advert myself, but how it's not hard to see why or how a political message could be seen in parts of the imagery M&S have chosen to share. I never said the hats burning were in the advert. I said it was in imagery (a picture) and videos shared on M&S's social media. Did the hats jump into the fireplace on their own? No, to me, and clearly others, it feels like it is implied that the person burning things has put them there.

I liked it. I don't know why people are taking it so seriously.

You said, and I quote "A woman with blue eyeliner burning red, green and silver hats on a fire"

This never happened.

No it didn't. And was filmed in august.

@asterel you absolutely did tag and call another poster a loon! MN decided it was appropriate to delete it. 'You're a loon' we're the opening words of your post. You referred to loonery and nuttery several time.

I thought it was miserable and try hard. I get the idea behind the message but it didn't come across. It just seemed wasteful and destructive. Not to mention not environmentally friendly.

It reminded me of that Cadbury's add where the little boy is trying to make his own Cadbury's ice creams. The dad comes in, sees the mess he's made and buys actual cadburys ice creams instead. I always think that he should have helped make them nice and they could have had fun eating the ones the boy made. Rather than put a dampener on his efforts.

Anyway, I think it was too much of an attempt at marketing cleverness over sentimental Christmas feels.

I don't think that they did the flag colours on purpose, but they should have had a bit of cop on and pulled that bit. Generally a massive fail on behalf of their marketing department.

Who do you think is burning the hats? Do you think it would be the person who's already burning things on a fire?

You can share the rest of my quote for context if you like. Instead of just the part where I made a mistake about who's burning what. You can also share the rest of the post about why this kind of imagery can be triggering to people experiencing, and upset by, the genocide currently happening to Palestinian people.

Rubbish. This kind of claim really is bolstering and stirring up baseless social media conspiracy theories.

They are party hats. The message of the advert was that the Hannah Waddingham character hates party hats. Some production person clearly got some party hats to burn in a fire for a still photo outtake taken months ago for a Christmas ad campaign. And they’re frigging silver, not white at all.

No-one should be giving credence to stuff like this. It undermines any serious debate about the middle east political situation. It’s frankly irrational and credulous in the extreme. Conspiracism IS loonery. That’s not calling individuals names: it’s pointing out how stupid ideas, and falsehoods, get perpetrated and recycled all over our public sphere these days.

It's an advert. It's intrinsically manipulative as it's trying to get you to feel and behave in a certain way. They want you to buy stuff from them, not do Christmas how you want.

Our family manages to have a Christmas we enjoy without anyone else's permission or approval but it doesn't involve destroying stuff.

The person with the hat issue is not the person in blue eyeliner.

The imagery of a person in blue eyeliner burning hats won't trigger anyone because it didn't happen.

You trying to whip people up into being offended by pretending things that aren't true is pretty shit.

Isn't it funny how the OP has started a controversial thread, whipped up a frenzy and then never returned...

@noblegiraffe oh god get over yourself. I haven't attempted to whip anyone into being offended. I only stated how it could be perceived, why people ARE offended and how M&S could have been more considerate. Jesus Christ!

Don't post shite and then get offended when you are called out on it.

I said take your conspiracist loonery somewhere else! That was literally the opening statement of my post.

Is it not true that conspiracy theories are loonery? By definition they are, because they aren’t true. In that grammatical formulation it’s the conspiracism that is the loonery. I don’t think you really can read, if you reported that!

That’s exactly the kind of thing I mean. You interpret calling the ideas lunacy as calling the person a loon. By that definition, nobody’s baseless made up ideas could ever be criticised. Ideas can always be criticised.

@asterel No. Your opening statement was 'You're a looney'. I have the email from MN from reporting your horrible post. I can show you if you're having trouble remembering?

Yet, the only people openly offended here are the ones who can't contemplate why certain imagery would cause upset to others? Odd.