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Will you be wearing a poppy?

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thingsthatmakeyougohmmmmmmmm · 29/10/2023 20:00

To support the work that the Royal British Legion do.

Nobody around here seems to be wearing one.

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saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:29

It becomes really slightly absurd the way everyone on TV ostentatiously wears one because they're all terrified of the flak if they don't,

..and that. The poppy is meaningless if people are forced to wear them.

TheSquareMile · 29/10/2023 23:30

Yes, I will. I usually do.

I haven't got one for this year yet, but this Thursday is what is called London Poppy Day, when serving members of the Armed Forces sell poppies in the big stations and on street corners, so I'll get one then.

Will you be wearing a poppy?
Canthave2manycats · 29/10/2023 23:30

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:28

Funnily enough, no. I wouldn't want to cause the same triggering memories in anyone else that you caused in me

OK then. I did not post anything about suicide and I never had any intention to.

If you thought there was, then you massively misinterpreted it. Can you pm it to me? Because I can't imagine why I would have referenced suicide because it has no relevance to poppies!!

cakeorwine · 29/10/2023 23:33

saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:29

It becomes really slightly absurd the way everyone on TV ostentatiously wears one because they're all terrified of the flak if they don't,

..and that. The poppy is meaningless if people are forced to wear them.

Ironically from people who are against cancel culture and for freedom of expression.

Do TV channels have people who have poppies on hand just in case someone thinks they ought to be wearing one?

Uricon2 · 29/10/2023 23:33

WW1 wasn't a fight for our freedom, although I don't doubt many involved believed it was at the time, at least for a bit. WW2, spawned in the wreckage of the First was rather different.

I don't think remembrance is really about that though, it is (or should be) commemorating young lives cut short by the tragedy and folly of war, whether avoidable or not. A poppy is not a fashion accessory, it should not be mandatory and the reasons for wearing or not wearing one are increasingly complex and personal.

Billi80 · 29/10/2023 23:33

No

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:34

Canthave2manycats · 29/10/2023 23:30

OK then. I did not post anything about suicide and I never had any intention to.

If you thought there was, then you massively misinterpreted it. Can you pm it to me? Because I can't imagine why I would have referenced suicide because it has no relevance to poppies!!

I've told you several times it was immensely triggering. There was no misinterpretation.
All your posts were incredibly overblown so I will assume you were so emotional you can't recall what you posted and wish you good night.

Canthave2manycats · 29/10/2023 23:36

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:34

I've told you several times it was immensely triggering. There was no misinterpretation.
All your posts were incredibly overblown so I will assume you were so emotional you can't recall what you posted and wish you good night.

Well send it to me because I have no idea what you are on about!!

Passepartoute · 29/10/2023 23:38

ACGTHelix · 29/10/2023 23:24

The symbol of the poppy can be everlasting and a constant reminder of the sacrifices various people have made for humanity.

It doesn't mean that you have to get pilloried (which is what has happened previously) just because your poppy's fallen off. I think war memorials, armed forces cemeteries and the Cenotaph are a much more effective reminder of those sacrifices.

thomasinacat · 29/10/2023 23:39

Yes, for my Great Grandad and his brothers and cousins who died in WWI and my Grandad who died in WWII. We remember them.

ACGTHelix · 29/10/2023 23:40

Passepartoute · 29/10/2023 23:38

It doesn't mean that you have to get pilloried (which is what has happened previously) just because your poppy's fallen off. I think war memorials, armed forces cemeteries and the Cenotaph are a much more effective reminder of those sacrifices.

i hear you, but then different people, different interpretations

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 29/10/2023 23:40

@Canthave2manycats

You are not going to get it.
It doesn’t exist.
You’ve asked for it to be sent privately but all you’ll get is excuses.
Don’t worry.

I really have no idea why I am so invested in this other than my utter confusion at your posts removal.

Enjoy what’s left of today.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/10/2023 23:42

MMBaranova · 29/10/2023 23:06

>WW1 really had nothing to do with fighting for our freedoms.
...
>For the record, I have a history degree

That makes two of us. Then you'll know, that the 'Death Penny' given to Great War next of kin (example from a quick search online) says 'He Died For Freedom And Honour'.

So although we history degree holders over a hundred years later might think things were more complex and nuanced than some at the time believed as they went off to die, or sent others off to die, that fighting for freedom thing was certainly in the consciousness of many.

I find those Death Pennies very sad and very moving. My grandma must have had one- her first husband was killed at the very end of the war after joining right at the start. I don't know what happened to it. We have the letter she received with his medals that reads as if he had cleaned windows for his country. It says the medals are given for 'services rendered'- it means his life. She lost her husband, her brother, two first cousins and two brothers-in-law. She and her two sisters were all widowed. Her other sister's husband was badly wounded.
She and both her sisters married again between a year and 18 months later- at which point their paltry widow's pension stopped. They all had children from their first marriage. My grandma had 2, one of her sister's had 3 and the other just 1.

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:44

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 29/10/2023 23:40

@Canthave2manycats

You are not going to get it.
It doesn’t exist.
You’ve asked for it to be sent privately but all you’ll get is excuses.
Don’t worry.

I really have no idea why I am so invested in this other than my utter confusion at your posts removal.

Enjoy what’s left of today.

Or maybe I don't want to pm it because it was unpleasantly triggering and @Canthave2manycats has been nothing but aggressive on this thread.

saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:48

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:44

Or maybe I don't want to pm it because it was unpleasantly triggering and @Canthave2manycats has been nothing but aggressive on this thread.

Yep. You know you got it wrong.

There is absolutely no other reason for not letting @Canthave2manycats see the screenshot. She's not going to be triggered, because she was the one who wrote it. And simply sending it by PM is not going to trigger you any further, so don't pretend that's the reason. You've basically hijacked this thread with your bollocks, so show her your proof.

Passepartoute · 29/10/2023 23:48

saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:27

I am surprised how cold and callous people have become.

I think it's the opposite. There's a cloying sentimentality around the poppy these days, that didn't used to be there.

I am neither cold nor callous, and I have immense pride in my relatives, some who I never got to meet, who endured the world wars. But I no longer want to be part of what is in danger of becoming right wing associated poppy 'porn'.

My own late Grandfather who endured a special kind of hell, refused to wear a poppy. So I'm certainly not prepared to be insuted by people here who disagree with me choosing not to.

Exactly. My father, who was wounded in WW2, was never particularly bothered about the poppy. It's in the mould of constantly calling soldiers heroes regardless of whether they ever actually did anything heroic and indeed being prepared to overlook heinous war crimes because people won't admit reality. As.a matter of principle I won't donate to Help for Heroes, partly because I don't particularly like the way they operate but also because by virtue of their name they seem to be quite cynically marketing this perception.

Canthave2manycats · 29/10/2023 23:48

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NeverNotDreaming · 29/10/2023 23:49

Why screenshot in the first place then?

Passepartoute · 29/10/2023 23:50

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:28

Funnily enough, no. I wouldn't want to cause the same triggering memories in anyone else that you caused in me

Why don't you settle this once and for all by sending it to @Canthave2manycats and explaining what you read as a reference to suicide?

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 29/10/2023 23:50

NeverNotDreaming · 29/10/2023 23:49

Why screenshot in the first place then?

Blimey.
Now you re asking for trouble
🤣

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:50

saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:48

Yep. You know you got it wrong.

There is absolutely no other reason for not letting @Canthave2manycats see the screenshot. She's not going to be triggered, because she was the one who wrote it. And simply sending it by PM is not going to trigger you any further, so don't pretend that's the reason. You've basically hijacked this thread with your bollocks, so show her your proof.

i will be and am triggered by the ongoing discussion. There was no bollocks..Mumsnet deleted her post.

saraclara · 29/10/2023 23:51

cakeorwine · 29/10/2023 23:33

Ironically from people who are against cancel culture and for freedom of expression.

Do TV channels have people who have poppies on hand just in case someone thinks they ought to be wearing one?

Yes, they do. Hundreds of them. My friend works in TV and has confirmed that pretty much as they walk through the door, anyone who's going on screen is scanned for the presence, position and condition of their poppy, and given one/a fresh one as necessary.

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:51

And I am leaving this now. To go and remember my friend who died in exactly the way @Canthave2manycats described.

AGovernmentOfLawsAndNotMen · 29/10/2023 23:52

WrongSwanson · 29/10/2023 23:50

i will be and am triggered by the ongoing discussion. There was no bollocks..Mumsnet deleted her post.

Because it’s late and they are too busy checking all the anti semitic and anti Muslim posts on all the Gaza threads.
They just pressed the button

Canthave2manycats · 29/10/2023 23:52

Totally confused!