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Did DS hide the chocolates?

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chocolatemissmarple · 13/10/2023 12:06

First time poster, long time lurker. I’m sorry that this is so long, but if you get through it I’d be really grateful for any insights.

Short version: MIL has accused DS of hiding away chocolates in a box at her house. He says he didn’t do it, she says he is lying. What do we do to move forward?

My widowed MIL is a delight. Loving, friendly, helpful and generous. Adores our two DC (DD13 and DS11), her only GC. Treats me like another daughter (she has a DD, my lovely SIL).

DH was speaking to MIL on the phone one evening. She was clearly upset, so he asked her what the matter was. Eventually she said something was wrong, but she wanted to speak to us face to face, not on the phone. She didn’t want to spoil DS’s birthday (the following day) but said she’d come round while children at school. All we could get out of her was that it was to do with DS’s behaviour, which she’d just found out about the day before. We knew she hadn’t seen DS for a couple of weeks, so couldn’t imagine what about his behaviour she could have discovered in his absence.

Next day she came round, very distressed and tearful. She had found, pushed out of sight behind the small box of toys she still has for DS and DD at her house, a box that should have contained toy cars, stuffed full of chocolates. A couple of weeks previously, she had hosted DS, SIL and me for lunch. The adults prepared lunch, DS was playing with toys from the toybox. Clearly, she said, DS had taken the chocolates out of the dish on her sideboard and deliberately squirreled them away, carefully putting the cars that should have been in the box into another container so as to fool her. She was hurt and upset by this because it showed such deceit, premeditation and slyness, she said.

DH and I comforted her and were genuinely sad that she was in such a state, but considering the horrors we had been imagining, were a bit perplexed by such an extreme reaction. I suggested that since none of the chocolates appeared to have even left the house, how could she be so sure about DS’s motives? Perhaps he had been enjoying ‘sorting’ the chocolates (all the same sort from a selection box). No evidence of any chocolate consumption on his part (ie no wrappers found in her bin or ours). It seemed that she was determined to attribute the worst possible motives to him and not consider any possible alternative explanation.

We spoke to DS a few days later (after his birthday). I asked him (but in a light, chatty way) if he knew anything about how the chocolates got into the car box. Total incomprehension and bafflement. He says he doesn’t remember seeing the chocolates in the dish, and if he’d wanted one he would have asked as he 'knew he wouldn’t get into trouble for asking'. MIL would certainly have let him help himself if he’d asked, which we all know – there was no incentive to be so secretive about it (which is exactly why MIL found it so upsetting).

MIL insists that he’s lying and we are fools to believe him and will end up encouraging more underhand behaviour.

The chocolates were not bought until 13 September according to MIL, and DD hasn’t been to her house since then. It was the 16th when DS, SIL and I were there. Incidentally DS says he wasn’t playing with the cars that day, and both SIL and I agree that we didn’t see him playing with them (none of us remember the chocolates being there either, but SIL and I wouldn’t necessarily have noticed them anyway). DS does say that the last time he played with the cars (probably earlier in the summer when DD was with him) he couldn't find the car box and put them in the alternative container instead, but later found the car box and just put it away in the toy box empty.

It's such a trivial thing, and we’ve already questioned DS and DD about what they remember, and I don’t want to distress either of them by blowing it further out of proportion. But MIL is so upset. Is there a solution to the mystery that we're not seeing? And how do we all go forward?

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Redwinestillfine · 13/10/2023 12:13

Honestly don't waste any more energy on it. Apologise to mil and say sorry if that is what happened. Buy a replacement box of chocolates and then if she carries on banging on about it I would cut down your visits with ds but maybe get your husband to pop in a bit more to see if there are any other worrying signs. Yes it's perfectly possible your dad is lying but her reaction is worrying with way. It's a couple of chocolates which haven't even disappeared,just moved. Fair enough if she wants to bin them for hygiene reasons but really life is too short for all this drama. Caveat- just my opinion, happy to have others argue why chocolate movement is a more serious crime....

Coldinscotland · 13/10/2023 12:14

Imo mil hid the chocolates for ds to find and has forgotten she did..

ComtesseDeSpair · 13/10/2023 12:16

I think it’s already been blown entirely out of proportion, but I think it’s pretty obvious your DS snaffled and hid the chocolates so that he could eat them when he visits. It’s pretty fanciful to think his motive was entirely innocent and he was just “enjoying ‘sorting’ the chocolates” - he’s 11, not 3.

Kids lie, even when it seems incomprehensible and even when they’re told they won’t get into trouble for telling the truth. But honestly, it’s just chocolates. It’s the sort of story you should save up to tell in a speech at his wedding and have a good laugh about it - having replaced MIL’s chocolates.

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AmyDudley · 13/10/2023 12:21

How old is your MIL ? Do you think she may have put the chocolate in the car box herself for some reason and forgotten because she is starting to have memory problems? (I ask because a friend in the early stages of dementia started doing this kind of thing putting things in odd places for no reason and then accusing other of stealing/hiding them).

As you say there is no reason for your son to have done this a he is allowed to ask for a chocolate if he wants one, and from what you say, his denial sounds completely believable. I would reassure your son that you believe him, and maybe say you think granny may have got a bit muddled or made a mistake.

I would tell MIL that you are sorry she is upset but you believe DS and would like the subject to be dropped and that she will have to accept what he says because she has no proof he has done anything and you don't want him accused any more.

rookiemere · 13/10/2023 12:22

What age is MIL?
I know I will get poo pooed at for this, but could be early warning sign of dementia, even if DS had hid the chocolates her reaction seems disproportionate.

I'd speak to DS on his own quietly and calmly. Say you're a bit worried about MIL and if he did hide the chocolates now is the time to say, but he won't get in trouble if he did as you just need to know what happened.

thistimelastweek · 13/10/2023 12:23

Whatever the explanation to the mystery of the relicated chocolates- and 8ve got nothing- MIL is completely overreacting.
I'm not even sure I'd ask my son to apologise since that suggests guilt on his part and it's by no means clear that he did anything wrong.
Any chance that MIL is getting confused?

chocolatemissmarple · 13/10/2023 12:24

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply. And honestly, I realise how utterly trivial it sounds - but MIL is so upset, so we are trying to take her feelings seriously. She is mid-80s but absolutely no sign of any cognitive decline.

I think we just hope it blows over and she gets over it and doesn't treat DS differently going forward. I really don't want him to feel under siege or accused - it won't do much good if he is lying, and will make him feel awful and powerless if he isn't.

She doesn't care about replacing the chocolates (we've offered).

You are all right, life is too short for this sort of thing. This is what counts as drama in our very boring world!

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SirVixofVixHall · 13/10/2023 12:28

A bit strange that her reaction is to assume slyness or deceit. She seems to think he has stolen them and squirrelled them away ? Yet if they are on a counter to be eaten he would just eat what he wanted surely ?
All the same type - well I can imagine me as a child enjoying caching all the green triangles from a tin of Quality Street, but I can’t imagine anyone getting very would up about it, unless they also loved the triangles ! So if he had done it wouldn’t your ds just say so ? Hardly the crime of the century.. “child stores sweets to eat later” ..
Is there anyone else who might have done it ? It is a big leap to assume some ulterior motive when a child might have just been playing with them.

SirVixofVixHall · 13/10/2023 12:29

AmyDudley · 13/10/2023 12:21

How old is your MIL ? Do you think she may have put the chocolate in the car box herself for some reason and forgotten because she is starting to have memory problems? (I ask because a friend in the early stages of dementia started doing this kind of thing putting things in odd places for no reason and then accusing other of stealing/hiding them).

As you say there is no reason for your son to have done this a he is allowed to ask for a chocolate if he wants one, and from what you say, his denial sounds completely believable. I would reassure your son that you believe him, and maybe say you think granny may have got a bit muddled or made a mistake.

I would tell MIL that you are sorry she is upset but you believe DS and would like the subject to be dropped and that she will have to accept what he says because she has no proof he has done anything and you don't want him accused any more.

My neighbour also did this when dementia was developing.
But I think you would have noticed other things if this was the problem, eg personality shifts, increased anxiety, memory lapses.

chocolatemissmarple · 13/10/2023 12:32

SirVixofVixHall · 13/10/2023 12:28

A bit strange that her reaction is to assume slyness or deceit. She seems to think he has stolen them and squirrelled them away ? Yet if they are on a counter to be eaten he would just eat what he wanted surely ?
All the same type - well I can imagine me as a child enjoying caching all the green triangles from a tin of Quality Street, but I can’t imagine anyone getting very would up about it, unless they also loved the triangles ! So if he had done it wouldn’t your ds just say so ? Hardly the crime of the century.. “child stores sweets to eat later” ..
Is there anyone else who might have done it ? It is a big leap to assume some ulterior motive when a child might have just been playing with them.

Yes, this is exactly what DH and I think.
I'm sorry if this is drip-feeding, but something similar happened to DH when he was about 14 - she accused him of stealing something and wouldn't believe any denial. He was totally baffled and a few hours later she found whatever it was and apologised. So it does seem that she jumps to assuming the worst possible motives.
If it had happened in our house (or my parents' come to that), I think our reaction would have been to roar with laughter about it and say what a monster! He's hidden our chocolates! and he would have been teased about it, we'd all have laughed and that would have been the end of it. I still think DS would say if it was him - I don't think he's frightened of being in trouble with us, and this is worse, really.

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VineRipened · 13/10/2023 12:32

Either Ds or Dd could have done it.

I might well have done something like that as a child… and then denied it. And have grown up without perpetrating any criminal or deceitful actions as a grown up.

I would tell MIL that maybe one of them did do it but her reaction is OTT, you are confident that your children are kind and on track to live good lives but that as good parents you will continue to monitor their behaviour and have discussions about right and wrong.

If she continues to bring it up visit less.

Dinosaur4 · 13/10/2023 12:36

Has a younger kid visited the house?

LubaLuca · 13/10/2023 12:38

What a strange overreaction to something so inconsequential. Why didn't she just ask the kids how the chocolates ended up in with the toys?

I mean I'd guess your son has had a hand in this. He's old enough to be a convincing liar and kids do do weird things when they're bored and wanting something they know they probably shouldn't. But does it matter? A mild telling off to make sure he doesn't do anything so daft again would be the end of it.

LakeTiticaca · 13/10/2023 12:43

Does she often overreact to things like this? Seems a very petty thing to get so upset about.
Your DS has hardly burnt the house down.
I would be telling her to get a grip

chipsandpeas · 13/10/2023 12:48

chocolatemissmarple · 13/10/2023 12:24

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply. And honestly, I realise how utterly trivial it sounds - but MIL is so upset, so we are trying to take her feelings seriously. She is mid-80s but absolutely no sign of any cognitive decline.

I think we just hope it blows over and she gets over it and doesn't treat DS differently going forward. I really don't want him to feel under siege or accused - it won't do much good if he is lying, and will make him feel awful and powerless if he isn't.

She doesn't care about replacing the chocolates (we've offered).

You are all right, life is too short for this sort of thing. This is what counts as drama in our very boring world!

it could be the start of a decline, my mum used to get upset over silly things, now looking back that was the start of it.

Steev · 13/10/2023 12:48

Jeez what a drama llama.

Choux · 13/10/2023 12:54

LakeTiticaca · 13/10/2023 12:43

Does she often overreact to things like this? Seems a very petty thing to get so upset about.
Your DS has hardly burnt the house down.
I would be telling her to get a grip

This. Has she always been dramatic and ready to think the worst of family members? Unable to let things go?

If this is new behaviour and out of character for her then it could be the start of cognitive decline / dementia. Try to get her to move on and get over it but be vigilant for other signs.

Choux · 13/10/2023 12:56

It might not be this but "Delusions (or strongly held false beliefs) are a common symptom for a person with dementia. They can take the form of paranoia, which makes the person feel threatened, even if there is no or little reason to feel this way. Dementia can make a person suspicious of the people around them.
A person experiencing a delusion may feel that they are being watched, or that someone is acting against them. They may jump to conclusions without much evidence."

www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/symptoms-and-diagnosis/delusions#:~:text=Dementia%20can%20make%20a%20person,to%20conclusions%20without%20much%20evidence.

hotcandle · 13/10/2023 13:05

I think it's pretty obvious that your DS had tried to hide the chocolates and ultimately lied about it. From what you've described, it can only of been him.

All this chat about an alternative explanation is a bit silly. It's also (obviously) a pet peeve of mine when parents can't put together the evidence that their child has lied about something (no matter how inconsequential).

You don't want your MIL to change the way she treats him from now on, so an apology would be the best course of action. Instead of trying to gaslight her or convining her, she has dementia.

Shocked so many posters are jumping to that conclusion instead of admitting that sometimes children lie for the silliest of reasons!

sillymd · 13/10/2023 13:12

I would just not bring it up again and hope things go back to normal

I'm not gaslighting but it's very worrying this behaviour and the use of cruel adjectives for a child "sly" "manipulative"

Wondering if she has something like dementia but very early stages

Can you suggest a sort of MOT at the GP for her ?

chocolatemissmarple · 13/10/2023 13:18

Yes, least said, soonest mended I suppose.

We'll definitely keep an eye on both DS and MIL for other signs of concern. Honestly, MIL is a treasure. We love her so much, and hate that she's so upset - and she genuinely is upset by this. But I don't want my DS to be in a situation where she thinks he is sly and deceiftul (he really isn't!) as that can do a lot of a damage to a child - also a situation where one child is then treated differently.

We'll pop round as a family, won't leave DS with her unattended (for both their sakes) and continue to try to be as loving and helpful as we can.

Thank you all so much for the insights - every post has given me something to think about, so I am truly grateful to you all.

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WonderingAboutBabies · 13/10/2023 13:19

I say this with experience of grandparents with delusions - one suffered from Parkinson's, and the other from Dementia... I would start paying attention to her behaviour and personality from now on, and gently encourage her to visit her GP if you notice something unusual.

IggySlave · 13/10/2023 13:26

when i was approx 13/14yo, my great grandma accused me of always stealing things. i stopped visiting until a year or so later, when she had been diagnosed with dementia and was living in a care home. its sad really because i despised seeing her, knowing id be accused of stealing things.

verdantverdure · 13/10/2023 13:37

My take would be that we don't know what happened.

MIL's gone off the deep end a bit about it though hasn't she?

That would concern me.

As would the possibility that asked outright my child lied to our faces.

Children can lie when they think they're in trouble and old people can exhibit odd behaviour.

Since we can't actually know what happened for a fact you just have to bear both in mind as you go forward and somehow act as if you believe both sides.

Stephisaur · 13/10/2023 13:41

Gosh, that seems like an extreme reaction.

I would apologise to MIL on DC's behalves and assure her that you've spoken to both regarding the issue and they have assured you it won't happen again (a slight bend of the truth, but I think this is probably easiest.)

I would believe your DC on the matter, what motive do they have to stash chocolates and/or lie about it?

My money is on the SIL