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Why are the trees still covered in leaves?

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SecondClassReturnToDottinghamPlease · 11/10/2023 00:24

I noticed when I was driving home tonight that the trees still look like it's summer, full of green leaves. They should be red/brown and falling by now. Is this because of climate change? What is the science behind this?

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 11/10/2023 10:21

Ozgirl75 · 11/10/2023 09:50

I’m in Surrey and I’ve still got roses out! The chestnut tree in the garden is laden with cookers and there are a few signs of reddening leaves but we were at Petworth at the weekend and it was warmer than when we went in July.

Still lots of roses and other flowers including jasmine in my garden in Hertfordshire.

If I wasn't worried about climate change I wouldn't be complaining though - I hate winter and all its evil doings.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 11/10/2023 10:22

It's because of the late summer. It was like July in September, and like August in October. It's glorious isn't it? Smile

Youngmumss · 11/10/2023 10:23

Yes I keep saying it too, also pansies and all other plants bushes in my garden started blossoming, lots of bees working on them.
Another thing I noticed it’s the birds..they fly so low dangerously when in the car, literally I had few almost hitting the cars windows.

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 11/10/2023 10:28

See, some people go on about how 'it's sooooo warm and summery for October!' and yell 'OMG CLIMATE CHANGE!' But the fact is, it's NOT that unusual. I have known many Octobers when we have had temperatures of 20-23 degrees C.

I have had posts pop up on my facebook timeline this past week, from 4 or 5 different years - over the past 15 that I have had facebook. They are photos of me and DH and the kids - in shorts on the beach, or in the garden - in October.

AND I have (proper printed out) photos of my kids from 20-23 years ago, from the second week in October, on the beach, and it was 22 degrees C then!

It's not that rare, really. If this was late November, I would get peoples worries. But it's only early October!

Cowlover89 · 11/10/2023 10:30

Leaves are changing where I am and starting to fall

user1497207191 · 11/10/2023 10:36

We often get leaf drop much later. Sometimes, we're raking up the leaves between Christmas and New Year when they've dropped particularly late. It always fluctuates quite a lot. I expected later drop this year, because our trees were very late to leaf in the Spring - I remember I kept mentioning the bare trees to hubby as I wondered whether one of them had died, it was so late producing the buds and then the leaves.

LucyAnnTrent · 11/10/2023 10:36

I think it must depend partly on the area. It is very mild, but I'm in the south east and I find the leaves usually stay green until late October/early November, so the trees look fairly normal for this time of year to me.

Justlovedogs · 11/10/2023 10:41

Kent location here. Conkers have been dropping for a couple of weeks, lots of green still but a fair smattering of yellow leaves falling in the fields where I walk the dogs. It'll change very quickly when the temperatures drop over the next few days

ichundich · 11/10/2023 10:42

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 11/10/2023 10:28

See, some people go on about how 'it's sooooo warm and summery for October!' and yell 'OMG CLIMATE CHANGE!' But the fact is, it's NOT that unusual. I have known many Octobers when we have had temperatures of 20-23 degrees C.

I have had posts pop up on my facebook timeline this past week, from 4 or 5 different years - over the past 15 that I have had facebook. They are photos of me and DH and the kids - in shorts on the beach, or in the garden - in October.

AND I have (proper printed out) photos of my kids from 20-23 years ago, from the second week in October, on the beach, and it was 22 degrees C then!

It's not that rare, really. If this was late November, I would get peoples worries. But it's only early October!

Ignorance is bliss.

RosesAndHellebores · 11/10/2023 10:45

I have a couple of roses that flower until December every year. They are very very old.

Treaclewell · 11/10/2023 10:49

In 1987 after a very wet period the trees were still in leaf on the 15th October, which contributed to the number which fell in the storm of the night of the 15th/16th.
This year, though, they are in much more leaf as there has been much more growth put on than usual.

curaçao · 11/10/2023 10:58

cuckyplunt · 11/10/2023 06:09

Cold snap over the weekend will get things moving.
But, if this weather doesn’t terrify you it’s because you are wearing blinkers.

And you are gullible.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 11/10/2023 11:08

I wonder whether the sense that this year's leaf change is late is partly a result of the contrast with recent years in which it has been unusually early in parts of the country?
When I have travelled down south in recent years I have noticed the autumn leaf change seeming to come earlier, perhaps as a result of drought .

But I guess this year's autumn is genuinely a bit later than the average - a combination of a wet late summer plus a strikingly mild/warm autumn.

My lawn seems to be growing as fast as it was in the wetter parts of summer.

Strange times.

MidnightOnceMore · 11/10/2023 11:26

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 11/10/2023 10:28

See, some people go on about how 'it's sooooo warm and summery for October!' and yell 'OMG CLIMATE CHANGE!' But the fact is, it's NOT that unusual. I have known many Octobers when we have had temperatures of 20-23 degrees C.

I have had posts pop up on my facebook timeline this past week, from 4 or 5 different years - over the past 15 that I have had facebook. They are photos of me and DH and the kids - in shorts on the beach, or in the garden - in October.

AND I have (proper printed out) photos of my kids from 20-23 years ago, from the second week in October, on the beach, and it was 22 degrees C then!

It's not that rare, really. If this was late November, I would get peoples worries. But it's only early October!

This post is a good example of climate change denial.

The trends in the data are clear and the scientific community is more united on this issue than anything else.

Anecdata like this, whilst comforting to cling to, is meaningless.

Goodmirror · 14/10/2023 23:26

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 11/10/2023 10:28

See, some people go on about how 'it's sooooo warm and summery for October!' and yell 'OMG CLIMATE CHANGE!' But the fact is, it's NOT that unusual. I have known many Octobers when we have had temperatures of 20-23 degrees C.

I have had posts pop up on my facebook timeline this past week, from 4 or 5 different years - over the past 15 that I have had facebook. They are photos of me and DH and the kids - in shorts on the beach, or in the garden - in October.

AND I have (proper printed out) photos of my kids from 20-23 years ago, from the second week in October, on the beach, and it was 22 degrees C then!

It's not that rare, really. If this was late November, I would get peoples worries. But it's only early October!

You do realize that climate change has been happening for as long as your 'anecdata' goes back don't you? I've been acutely aware of it for around 45 years

Are you in complete denial or just haven't twigged that the climate crisis didn't start last year?

Lonesomefetter · 14/10/2023 23:33

This weather doesn't terrify me anymore than the snowy winters of 2008 and 2010. Weather is not climate. This summer was shit anyway, screeching about everything just makes people not care.

verdantverdure · 15/10/2023 17:00

My honeysuckle, passionflower pelargoniums and nasturtiums are still in pretty full flower.

caringcarer · 15/10/2023 17:38

It's because were having a warm Autumn. It's the cold temperatures that trigger deciduous trees to change colour and shed their leaves.

RosaGallica · 15/10/2023 17:39

North England here, and the season has definitely changed. Leaves blowing off everywhere and cooler. I put the heating on last night.

WheekWheekWheek · 15/10/2023 23:18

I believe there is an increase in sea temp levels so I wouldn't say climate change isn't a thing. Having said that though I don't think we are in richer countries will be doomed we will find ways to adapt . It's the developing countries I worry about, especially those at risk of flash flooding.

WrongSwanson · 15/10/2023 23:22

MidnightOnceMore · 11/10/2023 07:05

I think it would actually.

If otherwise sane voters in every democracy stopped ignoring the issue we'd perhaps make progress.

Agreed. So frustrating when intelligent people are defeatist

AutumnalPumpkin · 15/10/2023 23:27

I do find it strange. But there have been some educational replies here about the matter.
I just wanted to reply with my experience.
We live in front of a row of trees. I vividly remember (and have photos of) what the trees looked like in mid/late March 2022, as it is when we got our cat and I'd take a lot of photos of him in the window. I can see the bright green row of trees behind in the pics.
This year, same time of year to the date I remember looking outside and wondering why the trees were bare. I mean not one leaf!!
The seasons are changing a hell of a lot, year by year.
I don't like to think about it too much.. but it does worry me.

AutumnalPumpkin · 15/10/2023 23:29

I also want to say it depends on the tree. There are 2 trees in the row of trees we see, that always bloom bright pink in early spring, before the other trees have their leaves, and then turn bright orange very early autumn. (They are bright orange now... the rest of the trees are green)

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 16/10/2023 08:36

Bit of a change from last week - just had to scrape ice off the car. 🥶

napody · 16/10/2023 08:45

EdnaMole · 11/10/2023 07:00

I think it can be surprising. I’d always thought lots of leaves turned and dropped in October, but then a few years ago when I was teaching a Y1 class we took a monthly photo of the class standing underneath a cherry tree in the grounds. The October one still had quite a lot of green leaves and hardly any had fallen. By November it looked very different, and was bare by the December picture. I think we expect Autumn too soon!

This.
Last year was the real anomaly with leaves dropping due to drought stress.
It's forecast to be a spectacular one this year.

Climate change is real and terrifying but I try not to spoil the seasons for myself by obsessing over changes and patterns that are really only obvious from proper scientific observation. Years have always varied in season change and weather. About 8 years ago I have photos of a scorching hot Halloween.