Anyone else see that huge changes are happening right now and we’re still sleep walking?

[RudsyFarmer]

its Interesting to me that life is just carrying on while there are huge, seismic shifts occurring globally that will impact us. It’s like the start of the pandemic actually. When I read the paper and Covid had been found in China and I thought, ah China, that’s along way away and within a couple of weeks we were at the beginning of lockdowns and my joke about hoarding pasta became a reality.

We’re about to have a heatwave in October. We now have wildfires as standard in Europe every summer and mass migration of people from continents that are starting to become inhabitable are overrunning areas of Italy and Greece. More and more people will start moving away from devastated land in search of more temperate weather, food, housing and employment.

This isn’t something that will be happening in a decade. It’s happening right now. The places that used to grow our food are going to start conserving the food for their own people. I want to feel positive but I can’t see how times are going to get better from here. I read the news and it feels really, really fucking bleak.

There is enough doomsday scenarios on the news without starting it on here too.

@Daftasabroom what’s your take on adding super volcanoes to the mix?

Caused by climate change and likely in our lifetimes?

Must admit that since Covid, I can understand the disaffection from school. We seem to be hot housing children to be academically elite - and for what? Think schools need to do a big rethink of their curriculum and prepare children for a world that is changing.

I would have thought that not flying or driving anywhere for almost a whole year during covid in 2020 would have had some impact on the speed of climate change, but it hasn't, nothing, zero effect, nada.

So how will altering our behaviour very slowly help?

Answer - its too late. Politicians are now just paying lip service so that they aren't lynched when the time of reckoning arrives and the world goes mental.
It will make the French Revolution look like a cake fight at a toddlers tea party

The world and our country terrify me. Politicians say and do anything for votes and lie and manipulate the public by playing up things the government wants to use to blame for their own failing and playing down the things that they don’t want to do anything about because it will cost them money and support from super rich supporters
So many people don’t keep up with the news or evaluate what they hear on social media etc.
I didn’t use to be a very political person but these days I feel I have to speak up because the planet is being destroyed and we are running along a path with so many similarities to nazi Germany
Then we have the spectre of Trump who thinks Putin is a “stand up guy”
Elon Musk controls wars because he can turn satellites off at will
Men murder three women a week and now they want to be allowed into women's safe spaces too
Hardly any of my friends even are aware of most of these terrible things and just focus on the minutiae of daily life
But sooner or later daily life will be changed with no way back

But emissions did go down during lockdowns ? It's been measured

A benefit to the climate and a benefit for the thousands who didn't die of asthma during those years

It's just we bounced back

I'm in the US and planning to move overseas because of wildfires, political extremism and gun violence. I was just telling my daughter last night how hard it is to find a better place to settle down because many other places are having some of the same issues. I've been researching and watching everything carefully to make the right decision, in the next year or so. I have a firm belief there will be waves of climate immigrants...refugees? and I want to get ahead of the crowd because it will trigger gentrification/inflation for sure. I just had a baby and I don't want her growing up like this. I'm tired of being scared too.

Most are never worried about anything until it hurts them personally. But not everyone is that short sighted.

Where are you thinking @junbean?

My criteria is no wildfires, no guns, and no heatwaves. So far the higher elevations of Japan are ticking the boxes. I've been looking at the familiars, like my ancestral ties - Italy for example, or Portugal/Spain. I already know Spanish so it would be easier to learn the languages. But disappointingly there's similar issues going on there. It's very hard to get permanent residency in Japan but I think if I start a business in a depopulated area I'll be approved. I'm saving $ for that and continuing to research as well.

I hadn’t thought of Japan but I’m looking at which countries too. The U.K. actually is on the list of top five to fair ok but we’ll have other citizenship too. Might not be for me so much but I prefer dc to have the option

Iceland scores well if it sounds appealing

Thank you! You're the second person to mention Iceland to me so I'll be looking into it. Another good option is having two homes, and moving with the seasons. Or just being nomadic in general.

Government scientists MUST have computer modelled which areas of the globe are going to be least hit by climate change.

They won't ever tell us as there'll be mass movement of people causing chaos and war.

The max exodus has begun

You posts prove that people are thinking about it. If you're thinking about it there's going to be millions of other thinking it too.

Once people start moving en masse it's going to be unstoppable.

just focus on the minutiae of daily life
Day to day survival is hard enough and people just don't have the headspace for all this stuff.

@RubyRubyRubyRubay people have started thinking about it, it’s public info eg this

According to Global Sustainability Institute at Anglia Ruskin University, these are the best placed areas to deal with the worst effects of climate change:

1. New Zealand
2. Iceland
3. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
4. Tasmania
5. Republic of Ireland

People don’t believe it yet, I think it’s hard to envisage before people really start moving

Oh dear, you don't really understand it at all. The Gulf Stream is an ocean current. Simplistically, the Jet Stream is what drives the weather and is linked in to ocean currents. If they stop, it will be dramatic if not catastrophic, bearing in mind how much of the planet is water and how important the oceans are to climate. The ice age was last time they stopped. If you have anxiety, don't google Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation Collapse.

Exactly! I have seen models on my local area as my town actually has a climate change council full of scientists. Their take is weather will be more extreme, dry areas will be drier and rainy areas will be wetter. As we continue to drill for oil and mine for resources the earthquakes and volcanoes will get worse as well. I've seen a 10 year map of my area and it's completely shaded in red, as it will be burned to the ground. Like you said, the larger governments know and they aren't sharing or trying to change anything. They are only devoted to greenwashing. So I'm thinking ahead 20+ years from now when my kids will be adults, what will their quality of life be? I do dread a max exodus of the US especially, they do not mesh well in other cultures.

Blimey thanks @EasternStandard

I didn't realise UK was so high up. I can't understand Iceland though - wouldn't all that geothermic activity so near to the surface just become very volatile?

I have been wondering lately if the huge expanses of frozen Russia, northern China and Mongolia etc would defrost and become temperate and valuable?

Also, when the poles melt what will we find? is there a hidden world underneath the antarctic ice?

I find it all a bid morbidly interesting.

Weird that Ireland is in there when "they" say half of it will be under water.

Can't really comment on the rest, but this lot of politicians are so thick, and think we are so thick, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if gravity was not understood. They seem to struggle with everything else....

Have we done earth-threatening hemorrhoids asteroids yet? Now those are scary. Imagine a massive space rock flying at us. Nothing we could do. Except wait for the impact.

Let’s face the music and dance.

Even this comment is bizarrely naive. Half the world is going to be on the move to these places. There will be no second homes. There will be civil war and anarchy.

You know, I don’t think you’re the only person aware of this OP

Ok what's your plan? Have you got any other ideas? You're not contributing to the conversation by making rude remarks. I'm a single mother doing the best I can and I'm literally scared for my childrens' lives. There was a shooting down my street just a few weeks ago. So you want me to sit here and not try? I am going to try while you sit making useless remarks.

Besides the fact depopulated areas offer inexpensive working farms myself and my children can use to take care of ourselves. Three of my children are almost adults. So that's 5 people and you think 2 homes is naive? That makes no sense.

Why would I have a plan? If governments and scientists have no plan why do you think I have one? Stephen Hawkins was suggesting Mars as an alternative which is why the richest men in the world are currently trying to get there.