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The sycamore chopped down at Hadrian's wall

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Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 28/09/2023 20:57

What a fucking horrible thing to do.
It must've taken a lot of effort to cut that tree down, and for what? To do something horrible for the sake of doing something horrible?

Why why why cut down a 200yr old tree? :(

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Kernackered · 29/09/2023 09:39

swanteapot · 29/09/2023 09:35

@Kernackered just to correct you on your point about amazon deforestation for "soya milk" that is complete rubbish.

https://animalequality.org.uk/blog/2021/08/20/soy-and-deforestation/

"In fact, only 7% of global soy is used for products like tofu and soy milk, while more than three-quarters – a staggering 77% – is used as feed for animals farmed for human consumption."

Not to mention the massive amounts of deforestation used to create land for grazing animals on.

Don't blame "soy milk" for an issue related to meat eating. Complete rubbish.

Fair enough, either way though the trees are being cut down and there are people trying to protest that.

swanteapot · 29/09/2023 09:42

@Kernackered ok I just wanted to point out because it is a common false argument used to smear plant based and vegan people and completely untrue.

Kernackered · 29/09/2023 09:46

swanteapot · 29/09/2023 09:42

@Kernackered ok I just wanted to point out because it is a common false argument used to smear plant based and vegan people and completely untrue.

Sorry I was being facetious and didn't really think it through as I'm more angry about the tree felling than any vegan vs meat eating debate. The trees being cut down for hs2 would have probably been a better example.

SidekickSylvia · 29/09/2023 09:48

ArtyStripedSocks · 29/09/2023 07:23

I grew up in farming community and I find it very easy to believe that a 16 year old expertly cut that tree down.

Same, I'm a farmer's daughter and any of my brothers would've been capable of travelling several miles and felling a tree by the age of 16. We're taught to drive and use tools very early.

stayathomer · 29/09/2023 09:53

Was JUST thinking the same thing- would a 16yo be able to do that on their own? If they didI weirdly feel sorry for them, that’ll follow them all their life, it’s just the craziest most idiotic thing to do

MarigoldMaud · 29/09/2023 09:59

When people ask how a 16 year old could do it, in rural parts kids grow up doing this stuff. I had a 16 year old here with is dad felling a couple of dangerous trees and using a digger to pull up the roots and re profile the ground. He was about as adept as his father

Ok I can believe a 16 year old is physically able and knowledgeable enough to do this but I cannot believe they would bother spray painting the line around the tree first, I just can’t.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/09/2023 10:01

User1539721 · 29/09/2023 09:33

Not a very good message being sent about farmers children on these theads

Eh? That they know how to use tools which are typically used on farms? What's wrong with that?

No one is saying that farmer's children normally go around felling ancient trees for the fun of it. No one.

PinkPanther50 · 29/09/2023 10:05

Shraree · 29/09/2023 07:10

I agree. The 16 year old was involved but he didn't do it by himself. I live locally and we have our suspicions - there's a well known grump around here who has a problem with tourists

That 16 year old should be given a chainsaw and a tree that needs to be felled to see how good he is because there’s no way a 16 year old could do it that well. I hope the real offender is found out.

DeeCee77 · 29/09/2023 10:09

If they have got the scum who did this I'm awaiting to hear of "poor family upbringing" as a (non existent) defence. Then, inorder to be rehabilitated from this act of causing criminal damage they will send the scrote off for a few weeks scuba diving in the med.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/09/2023 10:15

I think a more pertinent question than 'Why did no one hear anything?' is 'Why didn't his parents know/care where he was for hours during the night in a storm?'

It is an awful thing to have done and no doubt his upbringing is relevant in some way. It was always going to be a male that did it. Like it is mainly males that carry knives and use them, mainly males than commit murder.

There is something about how we bring up boys and how we socialise boys, provide role models for boys, portray boys/men in the media and sport and how we educate boys that is causing this. It's all horrible at the minute.

1 month into term and the local authority school improvement service I work for is already overwhelmed by referrals from schools about boys excluded/permanently excluded/at risk of being permanently excluded. These are all about repeated violence and aggression or occasionally drugs. Teenage (and younger) boys who will not co-operate with basic requests, do as they please, are verbally horrible-insults/swearing/ appalling sexual language- cause chaos, assault other children (sometimes sexual assaults of girls), carry weapons- 99% knives, occasionally screwdriver or hammer or other tool. Teachers put up with awful behaviour for very long periods before these boys are removed. Schools try all kinds of strategies- few work long-term. Many of these boys are known to the police and in their communities for vandalism, anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs.

That's only those who get to the point of exclusion/permanent exclusion- not including those who don't attend school, who keep it low enough level to avoid exclusion but are persistent offenders.

Then there is the laddish culture that accompanies many groups of boys. Their behaviour in groups is very different to their behaviour as individuals. So a group of nice individuals can have this 'laddish' mentality where they become swaggering, show-offs, unpleasant to girls, overtly sexual in comments to girls, can be quite intimidating even to some staff, behave like a 'pack'. Sometimes it's low-level and easily managed but it can become problematic. It is often related to sport and the way male PE departments, but other male staff too, treat boys- nicknames instead of names, relating to them in laddish ways, accepting less from them in terms of manners and contributions to other lessons, idolising the whole football culture, bigging up good players and football becoming what defines them rather than who they are as a person. They become arrogant and don't think they need to be anything but a footballer/on the team. They don't value other subjects which makes Mrs X the History teacher's job much harder. It also excludes other boys who become isolated.

Boys' behaviour is a big issue in many schools (some very challenging girls too in increasing numbers). In every single case I deal with, awful parenting is a significant and long-term issue.

Clearly this is not every boy and there are many absolutely delightful , very well-parented teenage boys (who I rarely meet in my role), but the numbers in the very worrying groups are increasing and the highest I ever remember them.

CCTVcity · 29/09/2023 10:23

It’s not that a 16 yo can’t physically use a chainsaw. It’s that I can’t believe someone a 16yo would be that disordered to do this when living local and growing up with the tree at the same time as ordered enough to bring spray paint, trek through the night, and put this level of effort.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/09/2023 10:29

CCTVcity · 29/09/2023 10:23

It’s not that a 16 yo can’t physically use a chainsaw. It’s that I can’t believe someone a 16yo would be that disordered to do this when living local and growing up with the tree at the same time as ordered enough to bring spray paint, trek through the night, and put this level of effort.

They have quad bikes or trail bikes.

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2023 10:30

We have had mature trees taken down. It is a bloody hard job for the tree surgeons to do properly and safely. I also don’t buy that the 16yo acted alone.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/09/2023 10:34

Given that Sheffield and Plymouth city councils have cut down thousands of trees, I think it would be a bit over the top to bang up a 16 year old for life for doing this. Unless you want to bang up the bent councillors as well.

I would like the person(s) responsible for cutting this tree and the other trees down illegally to have community sentence orders making them plant new trees every weekend for a year or something. Rather more useful than locking them up.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/09/2023 10:41

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2023 10:30

We have had mature trees taken down. It is a bloody hard job for the tree surgeons to do properly and safely. I also don’t buy that the 16yo acted alone.

The key words there are "properly and safely".

Do you think someone illegally felling a tree at night is trying to do it "properly and safely"?

Missingpresumedhidden · 29/09/2023 10:42

BCCoach · 29/09/2023 08:23

@Frodofeeling there’s no seedlings round it because sheep exist. Or did you think someone went up there with a flymo to keep the grass nice and short?

There may be no saplings because unless sycamores are self fertile they wasn't another tree around to pollinate it.

Cockmigrant · 29/09/2023 10:51

MarigoldMaud · 28/09/2023 23:28

There’s no way a 16 yr old has walked that terrain in the dark with a heavy chainsaw, set up lights to see what he was doing, spray painted a line around the tree and then professionally felled it.
This stinks to high heaven.

Agree.
The cut is far too clean for one thing.

egowise · 29/09/2023 10:52

I think it's difficult to believe a 16yo did this, because it's so non sensical.

Why would a 16yo bother to do this? There's so many questions.

It's a real shame.

Missingpresumedhidden · 29/09/2023 10:54

User1539721 · 29/09/2023 08:33

So a 16 year old can get a licence to fell trees.

I work in an associated trade - our apprentice has just turn 18 but yeah he started with us about 3 weeks after his 16 birthday. The other youngster on the team came to us fully qualified at 18. Not everyone does academic A levels and 3 or 4 years at uni before starting work. Some of the kids round here drive the year 11 prom in their tractors.

User1539721 · 29/09/2023 10:57

The family will probably have to move, people don't like this sort of thing.

TGGreen · 29/09/2023 11:04

@Myneighboursarewankers It was at this point I realised I was a psychopath...

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/09/2023 11:05

User1539721 · 29/09/2023 10:57

The family will probably have to move, people don't like this sort of thing.

If it is a farming family (no idea if it is), moving isn't really an option. The farm is their business.

Word does get about in small communities though, and whoever is found to be responsible certainly won't be popular.

NowWhattt · 29/09/2023 11:08

DeeCee77 · 29/09/2023 10:09

If they have got the scum who did this I'm awaiting to hear of "poor family upbringing" as a (non existent) defence. Then, inorder to be rehabilitated from this act of causing criminal damage they will send the scrote off for a few weeks scuba diving in the med.

Yes 👏 this ☝️

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/09/2023 11:18

I have no idea why anyone would applaud a delusional poster who claims that young offenders get sent on scuba diving holidays by our justice system. You'd have to be very hard of thinking to consider that post an intelligent one.

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 29/09/2023 11:30

I think this will now be the first of other similar stunts, too big a chunk of the youth of today are void of conscience and consequence, they view pranksters on TikTok as hero’s and rebels against ‘the system’. Society is fucked long term, and yes I’m saying that over a tree.

This act is in no way comparable to murder or violence but the skewed mindset to carry it out represents a ruined mindset. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start destroying art, damaging statues, looting stores and killing wildlife, for ‘fun’.

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