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Kids actually prefer learning in huts...

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noblegiraffe · 19/09/2023 19:39

...says the Minister for Collapsing School Buildings Gillian Keegan

She was saying this to try to make the claim that the huts are really very good indeed, but we all know what a hut is like and really this is a damning indictment of the state of the school buildings that the kids were forced to learn in previously.

As we head into the winter it's going from 'the kids are too hot to learn anything properly' to 'the kids are too cold to learn anything properly' season in my classroom. If anyone calculated the amount of learning lost due to unsuitable school buildings, and not just the ones that have been forced to close because they are actively dangerous, then we might start wondering whether this was the best way to produce a future workforce.

Incidentally, anyone still wondering why schools were closed on 31st August right before they were due to re-open, the advice to close schools was actually given to Gillian Keegan on 21st August....who then went on holiday.

https://www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/gillian-keegan-raac-crisis-temporary-classrooms

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/raac-8-things-we-learned-from-baroness-barran/

Eight things we learned from Baroness Barran on RAAC

Baroness Barran, the education minister leading the government's response to the RAAC crisis in schools, has appeared before MPs today.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/raac-8-things-we-learned-from-baroness-barran/

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noblegiraffe · 19/09/2023 22:56

InterFactual · 19/09/2023 22:17

Pleased to see the push back against Noble in this thread. This stuff gets very tiresome and does tend to clutter up the forum, I don't think the chat section should be for political soapboxes all the time, especially when it's dominated by one prolific poster who always starts these threads.

What pushback? Confused

What a lot of people are discovering is that things I've been banging on about have actually turned out to be quite important.

I was posting about the school collapse risk issue last December and regularly since then, and now schools are closed. Some people might care about that.

Guess what's happening with teacher recruitment, that I've also been posting about?

It's a bit sad that you think that the state of education isn't important enough to be raised on a parenting forum.

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saraclara · 19/09/2023 22:59

Creased at people blaming Noble instead of the fucking government who have been overseeing this utter shit show and doing fuck all to prevent it.

Indeed.

Gro · 19/09/2023 23:07

We had huts. Our formerly first school became a first and middle and to accommodate the middle school they added 4 huts. None of the huts had toilets (it is only this thread that has made me think this might be strange never thought about it at the time). They all had individually controlled electric rads for heating which meant they were so much warmer than the main school in winter. They were tiny but the teachers made it work and us kids were as happy there as we were in a classroom.

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FlakesOnATrain · 19/09/2023 23:29

We had two huts at middle school in the 1970s. With more windows than our Victorian classrooms they were brighter. Perched high up on steps it felt special, like boarding a ship. We loved having lessons in them.

SammyScrounge · 20/09/2023 00:03

noblegiraffe · 19/09/2023 20:29

I can verify that huts are surprisingly good.

I can verify that huts are totally shit. 🤷‍♀️

😁you obviously didn't have a field beside yours!

MeinKraft · 20/09/2023 00:17

The huts are probably less full of black mould than the schools Envy

off · 20/09/2023 01:03

Ugh, the portakabins. So cold that you'd be sitting in your coat and woollies all day, taking your gloves off when you had to do some writing, and putting them back on again as soon as you'd finished, and trying to ignore the fact you needed a wee because it would mean going across the icy playground through biting wind to the toilet block with the freezing seats, high cisterns and Izal Medicated tracing paper toilet roll. And cacophonous with a combined y1/y2 class running about inside.

I was in primary school through the early- to mid-90s, towards the end of a long period of Tory government, where the lack of investment was really starting to show.

Every classroom had buckets you had to pick your way around, to catch the drips.

Some days, the caretaker didn't manage to get the cantankerous and capricious antique boiler working for the main school buildings, so we'd be sent home. (Not that people being cold was much of a concern; presumably they needed hot water for the kitchens or something.)

None of the water fountains worked, not one, and nobody brought their own bottles of water, of course — don't even know if it would've been allowed.

Some days, the water coming out of all the taps would be a deep, rich brown, so we couldn't even have water with lunch (and weren't allowed to bring our own lunchtime drinks).

There were something like three computers for the whole junior school student body, all elderly, all different, with different software. 5¼" floppies, FFS. Everyone knew my generation would need computer skills, but what we got was maybe one session a term playing an educational game on an Apricot.

There was a severe shortage of textbooks, or any books really, meaning we had to share in the classroom. Alright for history, but try sharing one textbook between three in maths when you're all working at very different levels on different pages.

School meant spending every day in a dilapidated, damp, cold, leaky mess of a building, full of hazards, with insufficient resources. The staff did their best with what they had, and the PTA did what they could to raise money for textbooks, but it didn't touch the edges, especially since nobody had any bloody money. At least the running-down of industry and the town's subsequent decline meant that class sizes were small, I suppose — under 25, which at least put less strain on the textbook situation.

I think this is just what happens when you have the Tories in for long enough to allow them to run down public services. I just hope it doesn't have to be bloody 18 years again this time.

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 20/09/2023 01:18

It is almost as though people have been brainwashed. No I don't think it is ok to teach children in huts, they may think it is funny/new for a bit. The Tories knew about this and are now trying to put a spin on it. I thought Williamson was loathsome but Keegan is just as bad.
They really don't care, by the time the Tories are out of power we won't recognise our country. We are an embarrassment.

MrsHamlet · 20/09/2023 05:18

We don't have huts.

We do have water pouring in through the roof of one of our DT rooms when it rains.

It means the computers in there are now less "tech" and more "junk".

Goldbar · 20/09/2023 06:29

saraclara · 19/09/2023 22:33

Yep. This thread is pretty shocking. So many posters saying 'well at least they're not being taught online'.

Really, is the bar for our children's education really set that low?

But that's because online learning is an absolute shitshow for a lot of kids and parents. At least this way, parents can work and put food on the table.

This isn't parents whining. So many parents lost their jobs during the pandemic including almost 1/10 single parents. And we weren't in a cost of living crisis to the same degree then.

It's about "needs must" for a lot of parents. Online learning might mean poor supervision in a cold and crowded high-rise flat. A hut at school might be a bit crappy, but it's better than that.

Enthusedeggplant · 20/09/2023 06:53

Children should be taught in school buildings, like they mostly have been in recent years. A government who has failed to build or maintain these on a significant scale, that has removed funding for school improvements (and that largely privately educates their own) is not fit for purpose. Someone above worried schools have no money because of the solitary ancient pc projecting into an ordinary whiteboard? No it’s just since they can’t afford books or photocopying a projector is the mist cost effective way to get content.

jgw1 · 20/09/2023 06:59

MrsHamlet · 20/09/2023 05:18

We don't have huts.

We do have water pouring in through the roof of one of our DT rooms when it rains.

It means the computers in there are now less "tech" and more "junk".

Luckily ir rarely rains in the UK.

Beautiful day today.

Kinsters · 20/09/2023 07:00

I was taught in "temporary" classrooms throughout primary back in the 90s. Last year (so almost 30 years later) the school was finally able to get a permanent building. I don't remember feeling disadvantaged by being in a temporary classroom, I don't remember ever being too hot or too cold for example. I'm sure the quality of them deteriorated over the years though. I do remember that in the classroom furthest from the main building you couldn't hear the fire alarm.

Alainlechat · 20/09/2023 07:18

Definitely we had portakabins in my secondary school in the 80's. I never thought much of it. There were warm in the winter.

That said the main school building was probably Victorian with single glazed windows that opened like bifold doors or tall windows you needed a long pole with a hook on to open. Huge metal radiators too that you could sit on and get told off for doing so. And toilets that froze in the winter.

So nothing new I guess.

jgw1 · 20/09/2023 07:42

Alainlechat · 20/09/2023 07:18

Definitely we had portakabins in my secondary school in the 80's. I never thought much of it. There were warm in the winter.

That said the main school building was probably Victorian with single glazed windows that opened like bifold doors or tall windows you needed a long pole with a hook on to open. Huge metal radiators too that you could sit on and get told off for doing so. And toilets that froze in the winter.

So nothing new I guess.

I had an outside toilet when I was growing up, don't know why everyone nowadays insists on having a toilet in their house didn't do me any harm.

Or if we want to go back a little further but still within living memory.
We didn't have a bath in our house, just a communal tub in the kitchen that had the water in it warmed once a week which we all used to wash in. It was a bit dirty by the time the 7 others had been though, but it didn't do me any harm.

CornishGem1975 · 20/09/2023 07:57

We had portakabin classrooms at primary and secondary in the 90s. I never thought twice about it to be honest.

LetsPlayShadowlands · 20/09/2023 08:03

Peak mumsnet the amount of people defending this. Bet you had to walk uphill both ways to school when you were kids too!

circacircle · 20/09/2023 08:06

I taught in a portakabin for many years. I liked it. I had control of the heating. There was a main door and a fire exit so you could have through breeze in summer. There was so much display space on the walls. When I taught in the main school you were only allowed to use notice boards for display. Each classroom had a huge walk in storage cupboard where we kept the tv before we had electronic whiteboards.
I liked opening the fire door and looking out onto trees and bushes.
It felt like no one in the main school bothered with us. It was peaceful and quiet.

IHopeThisFindsYouWell · 20/09/2023 08:07

I think it's more just incandescent rage about it and acting like it's entirely one person's fault is a bit... odd. Huts were completely fine for me (and others). They're not a new thing, mine were the 80s and 90s.

Be angry about government failings, fine, but the weird focus on how terrible huts are is a bit of a distraction.

CornishGem1975 · 20/09/2023 08:09

It's not really defending it as much as saying it's not as shit as everyone wants to make out. Its a means to an end. What else can schools do? The alternative is kids have to stay at home which is the situation we are in right now. Personally I'd much rather DS is in school, albeit in a temporary classroom.

Takoneko · 20/09/2023 08:16

Keegan Is a twat.

I must say that in my school the huts are the best classrooms in the whole school despite being over 20 years old. They have good heating and aircon.

I think that says something about the state of our school buildings overall.

Even our one relatively new building has been plagued by snagging issues and problems.

TiredArse · 20/09/2023 08:29

Iam4eels · 19/09/2023 22:50

The audacity of people wanting their kids educated in a fit for purpose classroom inside an actual building, sheer fucking entitlement.

Creased at people blaming Noble instead of the fucking government who have been overseeing this utter shit show and doing fuck all to prevent it.

I know!

God forbid we should want fit for purpose classrooms (and hospitals for that matter).

If the issues had been sorted when they were first known about we’d have children in safe, fit for purpose schools, and patients wouldn’t be laid in bed surrounded by internal roof props.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 20/09/2023 08:30

My secondary school opened in 1970, and in 1972 the school leaving age was raised to 16, and huts were installed in the playground to accommodate an extra year group. The "ROSLA" huts were well established by the time I started in 1982, and stayed on site until the school was demolished and rebuilt about 10 years ago.

I actually really liked lessons in the huts. They were quieter and much cooler than the rest of the school, which was an a marvel (????) in glass. It won architectural prizes, but was difficult to get around if you even had a sprained ankle, and was too hot or cold for most of the year.

Just basically to point out that school accommodation has been badly thought through with reliance on temporary measures for 50 years or more!

notanotherclairebear · 20/09/2023 09:07

I don't think the argument is about whether or not huts are good or bad, as much as why the actual fuck were children allowed to go into school buildings that were liable to collapse on them? Blows my mind.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 20/09/2023 09:28

I loved the huts at junior school - I was in one for the second and third year juniors. Such a cosy feeling, especially in winter, to go off into the little hut rather than the rather chilly main building. It helped that both those years I had teachers I really liked. The school still exists 40 years later but the little huts are long gone; I don't think they have as many pupils nowadays.