Lucy Letby appeal

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Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

Forgive me if anyone has brought this up but on googling Lucia de Berk’s name comes up.

I’m not saying LL is similar to LdB but interesting what happened to her if you read up on it.

Correct - it isn't about whether the jury was right or wrong (you can't appeal that) bit essentially about whether the jury was given the correct information to make a decision on.

When I had my DD I lost of lot of blood and a crash team swooped in. All I remember was staring at a nurse in the corner taking notes - which I later read and so found ojt EVERYTHING that happened, what was said, by who, what each doctor did, what I did. She was my focus when I went in and out of consciousness and she picked up on every tiny detail. An extraordinary skill!

The defence (and prosecution) can make claims such as evidence was tainted. They can express opinions as long as they’re in line with facts. It doesn’t make them credible.

LDB was the victim of poorly calculated statistical analysis and wrong medical analysis on digoxin poisoning.

With LL it’s rather different. Objectively speaking two babies were poisoned with insulin and while some of the “free Letby” brigade have attempted to undermine the case against letby for these two babies, it’s beyond any doubt that the babies feeding bags were poisoned with insulin. So far beyond doubt that the defence didn’t take it on but asserted that it was someone else doing the poisoning… but that is not likely as Letby was present at both insulin poisonings and at so many other medically inexplicable sudden deaths and sudden near misses of babies doing fine and then dying… many of whom had air in their internal organs where no air should be… this case isn’t based on statistical analysis, it’s based on hard evidence and Letby’s omnipresence at every murder and suspicious incident…

The Guardian has this - the retrial won't go ahead until there's been confirmation as to whether or not an appeal has been accepted.

" Nevertheless, he said any new trial should not take place before judges had decided whether to give Letby permission to appeal against the convictions from her first trial."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/25/lucy-letby-retrial

The retrial isn't until next year

Is anyone interested in considering if Lucy Letby received a fair trial and if her convictions might actually be unsafe? I would like to have a fair debate. Starting I think where the convictions started - with the two cases of attempted murder by insulin poisoning. What would it take to convince anyone that the evidence was flawed/ biased/ wrong?

I didn't follow every detail. But 're the insulin. Was it prescribed. If not if 'LL didn't administer it who did. I really thought there was a good chance she would get away with it because of insufficient evidence or inadmissible evidence. But she didn't. I think the jury came to the right conclusion. Strange ramblings she had written down were found in her house. About being guilty.

A good point. Was insulin actually administered? There were 2 blood tests -just one for each child - each of which showed a very high level of insulin plus a couple of other measurements which would , if the test was right, prove that insulin poisoning took place. The problem is - and anyone can check this- the laboratory test that was used by the Royal Liverpool Hospital cannot be used to prove insulin poisoning. The laboratory actually posts this warning on their website in red letters because these tests have been used wrongly in the past to accuse and in some cases falsely convict people of insulin poisoning. I will post a link to it for you to see. That information was not mentioned by the ‘expert’ witnesses. I think it completely unravels the two insulin cases. What do you think?

Sorry my bad, gave a link that obviously Mumsnet isn't happy with.

For me the best approach for an appeal is the insulin poisoning and also the care of those babies that had no verdict, one of which was even described by the prosecution as 'sub-optimal'.

You mean you think Letby’s assertion that somebody else did it is compelling enough to allow an appeal? Because you do realise she conceded that the evidence supported an intentional insulin overdose?

Why are you directing that question to only me?

Because it’s a response to what you said. I even quoted you. 🙄

Not just me.

Jesus, this is hard work. It’s like trying to nail a jelly to a wall.

@HelenD1 actually asked if the insulin was actually administered @BIossomtoes

Perhaps you mistakenly quoted me?

So you don't want a fair debate then?

🙄

Grounds for appeal could also be,

No one saw Letby commit the murders and this was never proven in court
The CoCH had on several occasions sub-optimal care:
Understaffed
Chaotic in responding to crashes
Staff not the grade suitable to work in the various units.

However, who knows what the appeal will be.

Certainly I would appreciate if I'm not picked on specifically.

You’re right - Lucy L did concede that there had been an insulin overdose. But that was because she and her defense council were told definitively by the expert witnesses that there was proof of insulin poisoning. She’s a nurse. Nowhere in her training would she ever have learned the biochemistry of insulin testing. She can’t argue with the experts. A biochemist can. interestingly it doesn’t look like doctors know too much about the ins and outs of insulin testing either. Does this address your question?

You can't appeal a jury verdict just because you think the jury got it wrong.