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Lucy Letby appeal

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 07:33

Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

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Oulu · 25/09/2023 12:44

Goodness, what a batshit article. Not surprising, I suppose, given where it comes from. I'm also not surprised the author doesn't want to put their name to it.

Groovy48592747 · 25/09/2023 12:45

Good news that this child serial killer is going back in the dock to face attempted murder charges on child K.

Much sympathy with those families who will probably never get answers though.

lubylo · 25/09/2023 12:46

Both hospitals are passing the buck on Hawdon's report, publish and be damned, rather than have it dragged out of them. Still doesn't answer why doctors/consultants never requested one single post mortem, even though some suspected letby from 2015, again makes no sense at all.

LizzieSiddal · 25/09/2023 12:59

Also pleased to see LL will have a retrial for attempted murder of Baby K. A consultant went into baby K’s room as he became aware LL was on her own with the baby and he was having suspicions about her. I won’t go into details of what was happening to that poor baby but it was horrific.

lubylo · 25/09/2023 13:09

It is quite unbelievable that the CPS picked baby K to prosecute on, maybe they never heard Judge Goss summing up on it.

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WhiteFire · 25/09/2023 13:12

Maternity services are disgraceful and down right dangerous in many parts of the country.

Nottingham is the latest for a mass investigation, but there will be more.

MartinChuzzlewit · 25/09/2023 13:12

Oulu · 25/09/2023 12:44

Goodness, what a batshit article. Not surprising, I suppose, given where it comes from. I'm also not surprised the author doesn't want to put their name to it.

Yep!’

Once again, investigative reporting is a skill. Being able to make a WordPress website and type words out does it a journalist make

MartinChuzzlewit · 25/09/2023 13:13

Also notice how the Free Lucy Letby site is tricking people into thinking it’s the Guardian. if that’s not dodgy I don’t know what is

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:14

HazelE123 · 25/09/2023 12:02

The Quality Care report criticises that not all babies were sent for PM's as apparently it's a requirement with an unexpected death for neonates. All the babies should have had post mortems, Six of the seven did have coroner post mortems and found to have died of natural causes. With the later cases, when the Doctors did have suspicions, at no time did they pass these suspicions on to the Coroner or ask for certain things to be specifically looked at. The care report also recommended an Independent investigation. Dr Evans is hardly that Independent, based just over the border of Chester in Wales and belonging to some of the same organisations (who have meetings) as the Doctors who work in the hospitals - allegedly. Neither was he a neonatologist apparently. Plus he volunteered himself for the job after reading about it in the paper according to reports. He has a history of diagnosing women with Munchausens by Proxy, allegedly.

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Right so one of the murdered babies didn't have a PM - which the consultant who persuaded the family not to PM - now regrets. What rabbit hole are we down here? None of this is relevant to LL's guilt.

Dr Evans is based in Carmarthen which is a 3.5 hour drive from Chester. That seems reasonably far away! - though even if he was based in Chester itself I don't think that would alter his expert knowledge!

For the record Dewi Evans led the development of neonatal intensive care in the 80s and 90s. He is a Paedatrician. He is a specialist in Paedatric Endocrinology - expertise in Diabetes - which made him particularly alive to the insulin poisonings of the two babies.

What organisations is he a member of which have meetings including the Chester neonatal consultants? He is an independent expert.

He did push a little to get into this case as he felt that he had very relevant experience for it (he does). There is nothing wrong with that.

He doesn't have a history of diagnosing Munchausen by Proxy though way way back in the 80s he did help to place a young women in social care as her mother was sadly diagnosed as MbP.

Look please come up with some facts to make us concerned about the LL verdict. This kind of stuff is not very helpful.

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:16

placemats · 25/09/2023 12:36

I hope the maternity unit has had significant improvements.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-letby-hospital-blasted-failing-30743241#

The number of deaths has halved since Letby was taken off the ward. That's a significant improvement.

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:17

lubylo · 25/09/2023 12:46

Both hospitals are passing the buck on Hawdon's report, publish and be damned, rather than have it dragged out of them. Still doesn't answer why doctors/consultants never requested one single post mortem, even though some suspected letby from 2015, again makes no sense at all.

Actually 6 post mortems were carried out. One wasn't. I know you think you are making a point but it's hard to see what that point is.

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:22

It's clear @Robertius I was referring to the Maternity Unit.

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:24

lubylo · 25/09/2023 13:09

It is quite unbelievable that the CPS picked baby K to prosecute on, maybe they never heard Judge Goss summing up on it.

Have you got a proper link to that?

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:27

lubylo · 25/09/2023 13:09

It is quite unbelievable that the CPS picked baby K to prosecute on, maybe they never heard Judge Goss summing up on it.

the photo you provided apparently from The Standard is misinformation. There is no such report.

Here is the report of the Judge's ACTUAL summing up.

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23636819.recap-lucy-letby-trial-july-6---judges-summing/

Look maybe there is some actual evidence that LL didn't commit these heinous crimes. But what isn't persuasive at all is to invent made up stuff.

There is a slight sense of "make it stop..."

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, July 6 - judge's summing up

The trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more, is…

https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23636819.recap-lucy-letby-trial-july-6---judges-summing

lubylo · 25/09/2023 13:30

As I recall 7 post mortems were carried out, one inconclusive, and six recorded as natural causes, the fact that all post mortems were instigated by the Coroner and not the doctors, is its own point, the docs suspicions weren't strong enough to request directly for post mortems to be initiated.
However not going to argue about it, that's how I see it, as I also see the CPS ludicrous decision on baby K, sfter Judge Goss warned them off.

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:33

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:24

Have you got a proper link to that?

He doesn't as the Judge didn't actually say that. It's not the kind of thing a judge would say. The free Letby brigade seem to be relying on misinformation and making stuff up. I have provided a link above which is the actual Judge summing up...

ZadocPDederick · 25/09/2023 13:39

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:22

It's clear @Robertius I was referring to the Maternity Unit.

But what relevance does that have to the activities of a homicidal nurse in the Neonatal unit?

lubylo · 25/09/2023 13:49

Might be more assiduous to shut the place down.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lucy-letby-hospital-blasted-failing-30743241

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:54

ZadocPDederick · 25/09/2023 13:39

But what relevance does that have to the activities of a homicidal nurse in the Neonatal unit?

Where are babies born in a hospital? Why the maternity unit. It's a demonstration of how little has improved in the hospital for mothers and babies.

placemats · 25/09/2023 13:56

I'm female by the way @Robertius

I'd rather you didn't make assumptions about my gender.

HazelE123 · 25/09/2023 14:13

I think maybe the Judge is quoting what the defence said about Dr Jayaram's evidence being tainted and unreliable. But that is a point, Dr J didn't alert anyone, or make any notes on this so it's purely on his word. I can't imagine anyone accusing deliberate harm out of a grudge, but Dr J must have had a grudge, having been forced to apologise to LL for accusations.

Robertius · 25/09/2023 14:15

Robertius · 25/09/2023 13:33

He doesn't as the Judge didn't actually say that. It's not the kind of thing a judge would say. The free Letby brigade seem to be relying on misinformation and making stuff up. I have provided a link above which is the actual Judge summing up...

Here is what the Judge said - contextualised...

In the photo of the comment it appears that the judge is saying that Jayaram's testimony is tainted and unreliable... when he is saying that the Defence is saying that Jayaram's testimony is tainted and unreliable [and that surfactant given late].

The trial judge begins referring to the case of Child K, born at 2.12am on February 17, 2016, weighting 1lb 8oz. She was transferred to the neonatal unit prior to transfer to a tertiary unit - Arrowe Park Hospital, where her condition continued to deteriorate, and the mother agreed, in the "most heartbreaking decision" of her life, to end life support for Child K on February 20.

The prosecution say Letby attempted to kill Child K within two hours of her being born, interfering with the breathing tube, causing her to collapse. There were two further collapses and the prosecution allege there was sabotage by Letby, but they are not the subject of charges.

There is no expert opinion in Child K's case, and the evidence is circumstantial, the judge says. The prosecution urge the jury to rely on inferences.

The defence, the judge says, point to Child K's extreme prematurity, and no 'direct evidence' of harm caused. [The defence say] Child K was given surfactant late, and witness Dr Ravi Jayaram's evidence is "tainted and unreliable".

Letby had no recollection of events, but believed the ET Tubes were not secured correctly.

MartinChuzzlewit · 25/09/2023 14:23

Yes absolutely a judge wouldn’t give a personal opinion on the strength of evidence. It was clearly reiterating what the defence said. Which is what he HAD to do really given no verdict was recorded

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