Lucy Letby appeal

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Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

And wishing everyone fertility 🤣

You don’t understand what a speciality means.

Iirc, the prosecution believed the insulin poisonings were an attempt to set up a collapse that would happen when LL had left the unit, she may have realised they were on to something not being right at this point. The prosecution said she had falsified a reading to make it look like the baby was fine just before she finished her shift. Likewise the datix report. The net was closing in. She probably wasn't trying to murder at this point, but cause harm for her own gain/alibi. She clearly thought she was so smart but not smart enough as she obviously didn't know about the c peptides.

Letby was obtuse, vague and emotionless in this way throughout the WHOLE trial.

Lots of
”I don’t recall”
”I cannot answer that”
”No”
Re the hundreds of notes: “I collect paper”
Re the Facebook searches: “I was thinking of them”

But she seemed to have quite a good recall of what others were doing when it came to trying to out them under the bus.

I think her biggest downfall was thinking she's so much more clever than anyone else. Probably brought about by the fact she got away with it for so long and those who suspected her were threatened with silence and she was offered a funded masters as compensation.

I genuinely think she was shocked to get arrested and then subsequently be found guilty.

And I wasn't sure of her guilt until she spoke personally!

Please don't be misled. Most of the links are to a wholly discredited website.

It’s just hilarious that Letby had an excellent defence team, with an enormous amount of experience. Ben Myers QC is a Silk - there are only 100 Silks in the UK, given to the most experienced and senior KC’s. He’s also lectured in Law at the Uni of Leeds. He represented David Dunkenfield (a police officer at Hillsbrough who was charged decades after the incident) and Dinkenfield was found not guilty.

Ben Myers is THE MAN you want if you need a defence. And Letby was found not guilty on several counts so obviously he put a good case forward.

But no - what Letby should have done is come onto Mumsnet and sought out random posters for their defence, posters who probably couldn’t count to ten if they tried and have a very basic toddler-like grasp of language and throw insults when people don’t agree with them.

Who needs a Silk defending them when you have @978q

How/Where do you find other posts by a particular poster?

One of the striking things about the case was the number of time a baby suddenly deteriorated just after LL had handed over to someone else, e.g when she was looking after the baby during the designated nurse's break. It happened too often to be just a coincidence, and looks very much like an attempt to deflect suspicion from herself.

Hit Control and F, and put the posters name in the box that appears. If you have a Mac, it's Command and F.

Yes I absolutely agree

I read a blog that made the suggestion that Letby was a covert narcissist and it makes sense. When I heard she claimed she’s hypersensitive so she would already be sat in the dock when people entered the court room (normally judge and jury etc emerge as well as the public then the defendant is brought in) I thought it screamed narcissism

While the point about the experience and expertise of the defence team is absolutely correct, we probably need to correct the record before a certain poster comes on here and twists it.

All KCs are silks - it comes from the term "taking silk" which is the process of becoming a KC. There are currently around 2000 silks/KCs, but of course the vast majority work in civil law, not criminal, and some don't do court work.

Ben Myers has "lost" against Nick Johnson before. They have been on cases before in the same roles.

This article is by an academic professor of microbiology (retired).

I think the people who have doubts about the case, are joining the dots and fitting in the missing pieces. The defence argued the discrepancies but didn't sound particularly forceful or persuasive to the Jury - just a description of events and their explanations.

I think timings are significant and sometimes overlooked in the drama. The green note was written when she had just been investigated by the Police and bits have been taken out of context. It's a confusing thing to read but I don't think it's a confession. It sounds like someone terrified and having a breakdown and brainstorming.

The only "thing" they had in the whole case was the insulin - and that isn't proven. There are also questions to be asked about why Doctors didn't report such high insulin levels at the time - especially with baby L as there had been a few deaths before that and concerns. And why they didn't send to Guildford to find out if it was exogenous insulin. But then the investigative reports into the hospital show that it was understaffed and not fit for purpose so maybe, like many other things, this got overlooked.

At the time LL won her grievance complaint against the "bullying Doctors" there had been no allegations of murder and she would be thinking they were criticising her abilities and practice as being "not good enough".

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/09/11/lucy-letby-must-be-allowed-an-appeal/

There are actually over 2000 silks in the UK, happy to help you out again.

Ben Myers has "lost" against Nick Johnson before. They have been on cases before in the same roles.

What exactly are you accusing Ben Myers of here, spell it out?

Just about everyone is accused of being a narcissist these days! What blog was that? There were plenty of people analysing her, who didn't know her, once the verdict was in. You could claim many people were narcissists - I know a few - but it doesn't make them murderers. It takes a psychopath to be a murderer or someone very unhinged mentally. She didn't sound unhinged during the trial.

As I say I don't know if she was guilty or not and might be more inclined to believe she was if this had been a well run unit and hospital without the many issues this unit and hospital had.

Someone said the stillbirths were nothing to do with the neonatal deaths, but the reality is that hospital had high numbers of both during that period yet no one queried why there were so many stillbirths. Put down to "one of those things". But is is significant if things were "not fit for purpose" and mistakes were being made.

I actually agree with the point that only one of the Doctors was a neonatologist - because some of these babies were extremely pre term and the unit wasn't qualified to deal with them.

I'm not accusing him of anything. Nick Johnson is obviously a highly skilled prosecutor.

However, her defence was not as robust as it could have been and while some reasons may be that certain evidence wasn't permissible or other Doctors didn't want to put their reputation on the line and disagree with colleagues - having read the defence arguments, he puts the points across but then doesn't develop them into a robust argument.

Anyway the article linked above seems to be arguing why he thinks an appeal is necessary.

Bring the appeal on - if grounds for it can be found. Of course we’ll know tomorrow if there’s to be a retrial of the cases on which the jury was unable to reach a verdict. I expect certain posters to implode if she’s back in court.

Ben Myers has "lost"...

Putting the word lost in inverted commas implies that there was something questionable about it.

Defence is key to our legal system. Everyone even the most vile of people need Defence or we might as well go back to witch burning.

It. Was. A. Joke.

Apologies - that wasn't my intention with the quotes. I put it in quotes because it's a term used about court cases - winning or losing - when they are about much more than just losing. The quotes intended the opposite effect (ie to show that the word "lost" re a court case is not a particularly nice term).

They will know each others strengths and weaknesses though.