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Lucy Letby appeal

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 07:33

Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

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BIossomtoes · 18/09/2023 18:27

978q · 18/09/2023 18:14

Convinced about what, the danger of vigilantism?

I don’t think you understand what vigilantism means. Nobody needs to take the law into their own hands. The judicial system has already done its work.

978q · 18/09/2023 18:35

vigilantism is what many here are guilty of, you included, have a lovely evening.

BIossomtoes · 18/09/2023 18:38

978q · 18/09/2023 18:35

vigilantism is what many here are guilty of, you included, have a lovely evening.

If you really think that you definitely don’t know what it means.

978q · 18/09/2023 18:43

Let me leave it with.., even though you are the epitome of irony, sewed up what, bullet proof, what is ?

978q · 18/09/2023 18:44

🤷‍♂️

Lucy Letby appeal
BeechTreeJo · 18/09/2023 18:54

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 18:12

Presumably It wasn't admissible because it didn't prove or disprove the fact in issue

So it didn't help to prove or disprove that she harmed the babies

But you would think that the conditions at the hospital at the time would be very relevant to the case. Wouldn't it have been important for the jury to know what other factors could have been putting babies lives at risk? I think if I had been on the jury I would have wanted to understand everything that was going on in order to get the big picture.

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 18:54

Don't know why some people are so insistent she might not have done it. I doubt they'd be questioning it I'd she was a man

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 19:02

BeechTreeJo · 18/09/2023 18:54

But you would think that the conditions at the hospital at the time would be very relevant to the case. Wouldn't it have been important for the jury to know what other factors could have been putting babies lives at risk? I think if I had been on the jury I would have wanted to understand everything that was going on in order to get the big picture.

Conditions of the hospital aren't relevent to if she was guilty or not. She wouldn't have been charged if the investigation pointed to the running of the hospital putting babies lives at risk

BIossomtoes · 18/09/2023 19:05

What that email shows is that Chambers was steadfastly ignoring the clinicians. That was around the same time that he made the consultants apologise to Letby.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/09/2023 19:08

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 18:54

Don't know why some people are so insistent she might not have done it. I doubt they'd be questioning it I'd she was a man

I think the evidence for Ben Geen’s guilt is pretty doubtful too tbh.

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 19:12

When he was arrested he was found with a syringe full of the drug he'd used to cause respiratory failure, that he'd removed from the hospital obviously without authority

BeechTreeJo · 18/09/2023 19:17

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 18:54

Don't know why some people are so insistent she might not have done it. I doubt they'd be questioning it I'd she was a man

Actually they might. Colin Norris's guilt in poisoning elderly people by insulin has also been questioned.

BIossomtoes · 18/09/2023 19:23

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 18/09/2023 19:08

I think the evidence for Ben Geen’s guilt is pretty doubtful too tbh.

He was literally caught with a syringe full of drugs in his pocket on his way into work! Where’s the room for doubt?

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 19:24

Yeah that guy was just psychic when he predicted when one of his victims would die, and unfortunate when the attacks followed him to another hospital

heistgeist · 18/09/2023 19:42

TomPinch · 18/09/2023 11:17

If Dewi Evans wasn't sufficiently expert the defence could have got a ruling from the trial judge excluding his evidence. The defence could also have produced their own (genuine) expert who would have successfully challenged his evidence.

The fact that they did neither suggests to me that there was nothing wrong with Evans' evidence.

Ben Myers QC requested the evidence from Dewi Evans should not be allowed but the judge overuled him.

ZadocPDederick · 18/09/2023 22:00

A paediatric Doctor wrote a report about the state of the unit saying it was unsafe and not enough staff or equipment.

There was evidence that it was actually better staffed than the other comparable units in the area, but it had a much worse mortality rate.

ZadocPDederick · 18/09/2023 22:05

978q · 18/09/2023 18:43

Let me leave it with.., even though you are the epitome of irony, sewed up what, bullet proof, what is ?

Is this supposed to mean something?

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 22:50

ZadocPDederick · 18/09/2023 22:05

Is this supposed to mean something?

I'm not sure what is going on with these people. Maybe they are related or know LL or they are conspiracy theorists . It's obvious they don't know much about the justice system

There's always going to be people who think they are innocent regardless of evidence. Look at how many people write to prisoners on death row

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 22:57

It's really telling that there was no witnesses for the defence

WhiteFire · 18/09/2023 23:46

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 22:50

I'm not sure what is going on with these people. Maybe they are related or know LL or they are conspiracy theorists . It's obvious they don't know much about the justice system

There's always going to be people who think they are innocent regardless of evidence. Look at how many people write to prisoners on death row

I swing between person and AI. Though I think we're doomed either way.

BIossomtoes · 19/09/2023 00:09

WhiteFire · 18/09/2023 23:46

I swing between person and AI. Though I think we're doomed either way.

AI, there’s something inhuman about it.

978q · 19/09/2023 04:23

"Is this supposed to mean something?"

ask blossom.

TomPinch · 19/09/2023 08:11

heistgeist · 18/09/2023 19:42

Ben Myers QC requested the evidence from Dewi Evans should not be allowed but the judge overuled him.

That's the point.

A major trial like this one will have all sorts of applications off to the side for rulings about what is evidence and should go before the jury, and what isn't. The judge makes a decision according to the law of evidence.

If either the prosecution or defence don't like the trial judge's ruling they can appeal it. The defence either didn't appeal that particular ruling, or they did, and the appeal court agreed with the trial judge that he was sufficiently qualified to give expert evidence, within the legal meaning of that term.

The point is that there's accountability at every turn in the trial process. There's been a lot of talk about Evans but a) the defence would have had his brief way in advance so they knew what he would say b) the trial judge ruled that he was competent to give that evidence and c) the defence produced no expert evidence of their own, suggesting that there was no obvious problem with it.

He's being presented as some vindictive half-baked, half-qualified hired gun who gave biased evidence resulting in a miscarriage of justice. In reality the trial process has plenty of safeguards against this happening.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 19/09/2023 08:27

ItstimeToMoveagain · 18/09/2023 18:54

Don't know why some people are so insistent she might not have done it. I doubt they'd be questioning it I'd she was a man

Who knows? Again, if people listen to the podcasts, they’re illuminating and insightful.

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ZadocPDederick · 19/09/2023 08:39

978q · 19/09/2023 04:23

"Is this supposed to mean something?"

ask blossom.

She didn't write the weird formless ungrammatical jumble of words, you did.

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