Lucy Letby appeal

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Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

not hard to find, just requires diligence.

July 31st, 2015
At 6:45am Baby E is given his first infusion of Actrapid insulin.

Astounded or raging, at having your nose put out, all 3 likely

Nope. Just astounded and annoyed at waste of money as I typed. But you go ahead making accusations based on nothing as you please.

Seem a shame not to when you're accusing everyone of doing the same!

Like everyone else I do think she's guilty. However, just think, for one moment....what if she was innocent? Wouldn't you want at least a review to ensure the trial was fair?

Obviously it shouldn't be needed, but justice systems aren't always right and innocent people do spend time in prison.

"Just astounded and annoyed at waste of money"

Why would it be a waste of money ?

It's never a waste of money that legal processes are followed.

They protect all of us.

If after 3 years of investigation and 10 months of trial they missed a huge piece of evidence that changes everything just 4 weeks later.

I'm saying that's a lot of money to spend to miss something straight after the fact. But you know that because I've said it loads of times. You just like spitting hairs and trying to play some stupid game of semantics.

If they've uncovered something then he's, she deserves to be granted leave to appeal. She deserve a fresh trial.

But it does mean tax payers money to the tune of millions has been used over 4 years for something disputed in 4 weeks. 🤷‍♀️

One of these is that a breathing machine was leaking oxygen

Can you elaborate on this? Which baby? What kind of machine? Who did she complain to?

To be fair @itsgettingweird, she’s got a 28 day window following the trial to ask leave to appeal. I very much doubt there’s any new evidence and suspect it’s a technicality her defence has recommended to reinforce her not guilty plea. I bet my house it doesn’t go anywhere.

Mental isn’t it.

I actually wonder if people like @thedancingbear realise they’re advocating for a dictatorship with no justice system at all. The rabid frothy mouthed fury is embarrassing

I didn’t take notes

😂😂😂oh my god - you can’t say that a lack of evidence. there’s no CCTV because there was none in the ward 🤣 do you understand people can still be convoyed without CCTV and witnesses?

It was a joke. As you’d realise if you’d RTFT.

Clearly you didn’t! But it’s YOU claiming this so I think if you are you should be able to back your claim up.

You can’t because this didn’t happen. What’s a ‘breathing machine’

Can I give you some advise - get off the Lucy Letby FB fan page. They’re demented on that page

Oh. How embarrassing. Sorry @thedancingbear

Same here. I believe she's guilty. I believe she's just refusing to disappear into the background from what we've learned about her.

But that doesn't mean that in the extremely minute chance something has come up we should just shrug our shoulders at the money spent.

We have ever increasing taxes against a background of a government wasting it on useless contracts for their mates. This would just be another thing we spent money on that hasn't been value.

And if (the biggest if ever!) she is innocent she shouldn't spend her whole life behind bars.

Annaishire are you talking about the port let off the end of a baby's tube? The report to Datex that LL made after she's been accused and was aware people are suspicious of her? The report she made claiming that leaving if off could cause air embolus? The same air embolus she claimed to have no medical knowledge of during the trail as she isn't a medic? The same air embolus she knows nothing about despite going on a course a few weeks before the first death?

It's absolutely your right to believe she's innocent. It's your right to argue that fact. Probably best to know the actual facts fort though!

Well I don't think an appeal will go anywhere but it's part of the legal system so everyone should have the right to apply even if it is refused. After all the trial must have cost , a few hundred quid to appeal a sentence/conviction is nothing then hopefully she won't be heard from again for a very long time

As I understand it, from a family member who is a barrister, the grounds on which a barrister can refuse to take a case are really very limited and they could be face disciplinary proceedings if they refuse a case for other reasons.
Whether we like it or not, our justice system allows for appeal in certain circumstances. It also is supposed to be accessible to all, not just those who can afford it, hence legal aid. I believe the cuts to legal aid funding is one reason why barristers have voted to strike in the recent past. I may not like the fact that certain people appeal verdicts/ sentences, but I am glad our system allows it because occasionally, people have been wrongly convicted and the appeals system has been massively important to those - Andrew Malkinson springs to mind.

Thankyou for your comment.You’re right. I am insane and I’m fiercely proud of it because unlike pussyfooted bleeding hearted liberals more concerned with the supposed rights of the perpetrators than the actual and moral rights of the victims I tell it like it is!

You tell 'em. I bet you think that all those lefty lawyers who oppose the govt should be struck off too.

Honestly.

Insane does not begin to scratch the surface of this bonkers tirade.

That's exactly it, there's a "taxi rank" principle- the idea being that a defence barrister isn't there to judge who is good or bad (that's for the judge and jury). A key principle of a good justice system is that everyone has the right to legal representation. ( Of course that has been badly eroded by legal aid cuts. ). The Secret Barrister book is a very readable introduction to this topic.

Most defence barristers also prosecute, so both defending barrister and prosecuting barrister know they could have just as feasibly been acting for the other side in any case.

however I think a lot people would rather just assume they are bad guys /fat cats.

She’ll try anything. Why not? She’s in for the rest of her life already.

appeals are based on things like fresh evidence, a biased trial or an incomplete defence. Sadly for LL she got a very fair trial - I doubt this application to appeal will be successful. But I’d expect her to indulge in a lifetime of legal manoeuvres - there isn’t much to do in jail.

The babies just died of their own accord theory?

but X-rays found air bubbles inside their major arteries / heart valves - shortly before death and two were poisoned with insulin. We know stuff was going on in that ward - the consultants knew it too and were pursuing management for months - and the only person there time after time, death after death, sudden relapse after sudden relapse was Lucy letby…

she wot done it…

Agree with that. The appeal will be denied as there are no grounds for it. From memory she will then get another attempt to appeal which will also likely fail. I’d expect a life time of legal manoeuvring from her as jail is dull and there isn’t much to do.

No one rational disputes that the insulin used to poison two babies was synthetic.

air bubbles were seen in two X-rays of babies who were victims of LL - the air bubbles were in major arteries / heart valves.

An air embolus has to be pretty big to be seen on X-ray. Not seeing one does not mean there was not one there. I think it’s pretty amazing they managed to pick up on 2 (I would imagine the other babies will have had xray too, although have not read if they had or hadn’t, just that it was seen on 2).

This may be outing but I had a patient die from an air embolus (or so the coroner concluded. The only other option was sudden adult death which was even more unlikely given the coincidence of the patient undergoing a lung biopsy immediately before). A full chest ct with radiographic dye did not depict the embolus. CT is infinitely more sensitive than xray and the dye would have enhanced any embolus.