Lucy Letby appeal

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Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

Eh? The Manchester bomber blew himself up.

Having googled, all I can see is references to him carrying out two of the post mortems. Did he make submissions about them? Surely if he was saying that Dr Manderide was wrong he would have given evidence explaining why?

I didn't say that 🙄

you apparently think that no medic in the country could come to any other conclusion but to agree?

So why were none of those medics called as expert witnesses by the defence?

Nevertheless, he was not convicted of aiding and abetting as you claim.

I never claimed he was, is that your best shot, an innocent lad of 19 with learning difficulties was hung and you are into "nevertheless", you vigilantes are the pits, don't even want to let the rule of law run its course, in case your certainty is found wanting🤮

So what point are you trying to make? You criticise “sympathisers” but I’m not seeing sympathy, just people who believe everyone has the right to legal due process being followed.

I am not alone in thinking that LL has the same right to a fair justice process as anyone else. She was granted a fair trial, now she has a right to submit an appeal application.

However, I still remain confused as to your assertions that she will be freed.

Though obviously we are very aware that you have never actually said she is not guilty, but have instead mearly pointed out all the miscarriages of justice where the individual was acquitted and likened their trial process to hers but with no implications that her conviction is in anyway the same.

And it is everyone else who is the armchair Jessica Fletcher?

I would try to appeal.in her situation she has nothing to lose but I don't think it will.get her anywhere and I'm not arrogant enough to claim she's innocent.just becsuse she's female and the jury must be wrong .

patineur,

Dr George Kokai's submission will be contained in the defence skeleton in the application, Dr George is senior to Dr Andreas, who trashed Dr George's PM reports, without actually saying so, all innuendo and auxesis, which somehow the jury believed, another thing that will be looked at, as BARD is a stranger to this case.

"but with no implications that her conviction is in anyway the same"

That's what the application to appeal will ponder on, safe or unsafe conviction, everything leads from there.

If leave is refused goes up another level to a panel of Judges.

It’ll be interesting to see the grounds for the appeal application. It will also be interesting to see if she’s facing further charges in a week’s time. And if she’s retried on the counts where the jury couldn’t reach a verdict.

The solicitor representing her in this ought to be thoroughly ashamed of his or herself they clearly know she sadistically slaughtered a load of newborn babies with clearly obvious and irrefutable evidence so that speaks volumes about them. They are clearly motivated solely by money and not truth or justice.
The cruelty they are displaying towards the families of those poor innocent tiny baby victims by slashing open their very raw wounds is quite simply beyond belief.
If the courts allow this disgusting appeal to go ahead it will be the final nail in the coffin of the faith that the British Populace (imo) has in the judiciary and political systems of our small Islands.
And she is clearly an unthafomably evil psychopath who is clearly revelling in the attention.
All we can hope for now is that she’s killed very slowly and painfully in prison like those poor babies were as soon as possible and sent to whatever dark torturous corner depth of Hell she belongs in!

What rights did she afford to the babies she slaughtered?

@Sniffmyfingers everyone is entitled to a defence, it’s how we achieve justice. Of course her excellent barrister and legal team were motivated by justice - on legal aid fees money was most definitely not the motivation.

Far from destroying faith in the justice system leave to appeal reinforces it. If Letby can produce grounds for appeal - and it’s a big if - then the appeal will go ahead. The chance of successful appeal against 14 life tariffs is vanishingly tiny, only one remaining is enough to see her locked up for life.

Not only do these people walk amongst us, we may find ourselves sat next to them on a jury one day. Or even opposite.

The fan club and those that wish to deny a fair and due process are different cheeks of the same arse.

You sound exactly like the kind of person that necessitates a legal system with enshrined rights and process.

Years ago I knew a woman who worked at the Crown Prosecution Service and worked on the Birmingham Six case. She said that they ‘all knew that the Birmingham Six had been fitted-up by the police, but were glad because they fitted-up the right people’.
I’m no sympathiser of murderers. I am a huge fan of justice being done and being seen to be done. LL can pursue every avenue of justice up to and including asking for a Royal Pardon. At the end of that process everyone can be confident of justice being done. Any attempt to shortcut justice is monstrous and disgusting arrogance on your part. ‘I just know she done it’. Right?

It was only a few months ago that numerous MN posters and other social media users just knew that Nicola Bulley had been abducted or her DH had done something to her. Or he was abusive so she was fleeing him to start a new life.

Who ignored all the Police statements saying there was no evidence of third party involvement and no evidence she'd left the area by the river.

Assisted by an 'expert' who came along to state there was no way she was in the river and 3rd party involvement should be investigated.

Except she did drown in the river and her body was found there. And her family, friends and NB were accused of all sorts on social media causing huge amounts of pain.

The point being, let the justice system take it's course. Just because you as a member of the public think it's all done and dusted and she's bang to rights doesn't mean that's correct. And doesn't mean she should have legal rights removed.

The processes are there for everyone and to protect everyone. Even the ones you think definitely did it. It's not just about her.

In all the cases where the original verdict was overturned, juries had listened to evidence over a long period of time.
That in itself doesn't mean that miscarriages of justice never happen.

I havent read the thread

Everyone has the right to make application to appeal

Firstly it doesnt mean they get the right to make the appeal, I dont know where in the process she is with that, whether is been agreed yet or not

Secondly in her case Im astounded that she would consider this given there was literally no defence. I can understand someone wanting to appeal if they had entered a robust, detailed, evidenced defence with lots of information that might have left room for reconsideration/differences of opinion about technical matters/interpretation of results or information etc etc

But in her case there was NO defence!!!!

Incredible.

let the process have its way, it wont result in anything even if the appeal is granted.

Believing that the right of appeal is a fundamental part of the justice system doesn't make us "sympathisers"

It all sounded a bit flimsy to me - particularly as the deaths were only in the summers of 2015 and 2016. If she was a serial killer, why only do it in summer?

Only LL knows the answer to that. But, on her case, it's equally valid to ask why, if all the deaths and collapses were due to incompetent management, her colleagues were only incompetent in the summer? And why they weren't incompetent in any summer subsequently, or indeed previously?

You're insane.

And providing compelling evidence as to why these legal checks, protections and rights exist in the first place.