jamie oliver is he total fake?

[orangelotus]

i read this today and must say i had no idea of the scale of financial stuff going on.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-perverse-greed-of-jamie-oliver-2/

i think i feel angry as i've spent my entire working life in Newham and can see how poor many children are there.
It is shocking how he presents himself as this do goofing crusader but his dealings with small businesses and local councils have been so shady .
i feel angry with myself for having fallen for his nonsense.

"You can buy whatever you want. All major brands still sell full sugar versions."

No, they don't. Find me a Lucozade without artificial sweeteners. Find me a Dr Pepper without artificial sweeteners. They don't exist anymore.

Yes to defend Nigella, in the early series Nigella Bites it was very much John and the children with Maria Mcerlane, a TV producer mate called Olivia, and her siblings appearing. Also plenty of filming in their old house in Shep Bush. I can see how after the loss of John and the kids growing so much would have changed, bless her.

Well that isn't JO's fault. The manufacturers have obviously decided there is more profit in using artificial sweeteners and have decided not to bothering offering the original formulation.

I think most people are far more complex than can be divided into dichotomous groups of real vs fake and good vs bad. The problem with being in the public eye is that the public like to try and do just that to people in the public eye. Most of us are not vulnerable to that same level of scrutiny, of course fame has its benefits but fall out of public favour can be really awful for those it happens to. I don't think JO deserves to be vilified. He's done some good stuff, some bad stuff, and a lot of things which are distinctly average. He's made some money, he's done some good with that, some bad with that and mostly a lot of things which are distinctly average. He's just a person trying to do his best, not always getting it right, sometimes falling short. I don't think he deserves either the massive pedestal some people put him on or the massive hatred he gets off some others. The problem really is when we then celebrities into idols to be hero worshipped, and then are surprised when they turn out to be distinctly human

Sounds like Donald Trump!

Who wants to drink something like full sugar DR Pepper or Coke that contains almost an ounce of sugar anyway?

San Pellagrino and M&S sell fizzy drinks that are lower in sugar and don't contain artificial sweeteners. There's plenty of others if you look.

Those are generally just cans of sparkling or soda water, which has a very specific taste that overpowers whatever fancy flavouring has been added.

Fine if you enjoy sparkling water. I think it tastes like armpit.

You want me to.... stop my day and go and find you a drink with sugar in?

I mean, you could just dissolve half a cup of sugar in some water and glug that down if your desire for tooth decay and diabetes is that strong 😂

I can go fetch you a packet of malbros and bottle of vodka whilst I'm at it and you can have a proper party

Remember that time he set Rolf Harris amongst school children, having him teach an art class?

That sums him up, he has good intentions but the way he goes about things results in making lives more difficult for a large majority of people.

He just can't grasp other people's lives are not like his.

I don't think it has ever occurred to him that not everyone has a car to get to a supermarket, not everyone has a garden to grow vegetables, not everyone has a house with their own space to store and cook.

He saw a problem with dinners, but he was clueless of why cheap, inexpensive and quick food were the easiest option for those particular people.

Hold on, unless this was after the allegations against RH how on earth would JO have known that was dodgy? Rolf Harris was a beloved kids’ entertainer for decades and Jamie, like me, would have grown up with him.

He did not know Rolf was Dodgy, Jamie did what he genuinely thought was best...

The out come was terrible.

Like everything he does, I honestly think he has good intentions.

He's accidently made lives of so many people worse.

Exactly. I have no strong opinions about Jamie Oliver, but he (with the help of his advisers) seems to be quite canny as a businessman. And that does help to provide employment too. Like with most successful people, it's not black and white..... life is way more complex than that. If he's doing well, then good luck to him.

“The outcome was terrible”- are you saying that RH molested or otherwise harmed those particular children?

The campaigning is part of the brand, he does need to keep it up. His lifestyle is the brand

i think jamie is an example of a person promoted above their ability. i don;t doubt he's well meaning, but he is nowhere near knowledgeable enough to meddling with things he clearly doesn't fully understand.

As a dentist the only use for full fat coke is as a toilet cleaner. It’s brilliant at removing lime scale. Lime scale is very similar to the mineral that makes up teeth so full fat coke is incredibly effective at removing enamel from teeth. If you drink it out of a can it concentrates the enamel erosion in your two front teeth. That said it is the malic acid that does the damage. As for the sugar content, well weigh out 15g, the average content of a can of coke, and just look at how much sugar you are washing your teeth with.
If you need a caffeine hit drink coffee.
So while I am no fan of JO I’m totally with him re fizzy drinks with sugar.

The majority of people have a car to get to the supermarket, and kitchens big enough to store things. Most kitchens come equipped with cupboards.

He can't make his tv programmes on the basis that a few people don't have access to every single thing they need to cook his recipes.

I don't believe that he was clueless about people with no car, kitchen or garden. Maybe write to him and suggest that he finds recipes to suit that section of society, I'm sure he'll come up with something.

This is 'whataboutery' at its finest.

i dont know where she got the 240 million from.
if i remember correctly when a few years ago when his business collapsed he was estimated around 60 million with his books and tv programmes etc.
in my opinion no chef can win more than Gordon Ramsay to be the vile title. i saw some of his behaviour in his restaurant saving programmes calling the owner old lady 'nutcase' etc. this is not taking into consideration all his swearing and belittling of people in his other programmes. no matter how much he tries to look cute in other programmes like with the italian chef it cant change my mind. i change the channel immediately when i see him.
JO looks nowadays like many lorries passed over him, his face shows it all, aged and put on weight a lot. but we still cant know what goes behind closed office doors.

Guess what.....I DID talk to him and guess what, the idea that someone wouldn't have a car hadn't entered his head before that point. The idea there are people who do the majority of shopping at a corner shop was an alien concept.

He's a nice guy, he has good intentions but he has very little understanding of why these problems he has decided to "fix" exist in the first place. He thinks it's all about education, it isn't.

It's not whataboutery, he is disconnected from those he was trying to (focefully) help.

Good intentions but absolutely clueless.

He's accidently made lives of so many people worse

How? Other than the people directly affected by the collapse of his businesses.

So "other than the people he has affected" you want me to name some?

He pressured the government to rush through legalisation which affected a lot of school kitchen staff.

Nearly 20 years later and I'm sure you'll agree we have far less childhood obesity and health problems now.....

Or perhaps not.

Perhaps we have a big increase in childhood obesity and health problems because the cheapest easiest food is still the same food the was available back then, but now it's more expensive cheap food.

Well Julie, you know all about 'fakery' - the 'I love chavs persona' - really horrible woman by all accounts and I know lots of people who know her too- her ex husband is horrible too.

Jamie Oliver is a self made entrepreneur - the fact is when a company liquidates it's formal process and you can't prioritise some debts over others or pay them off yourself - that's illegal. People jump to conclusions about things they know nothing about. Yep he's brash and a bit marmite but I don't think he's fake.

No, I said "directly affected" by collapse of his business. I did not ask you to name any individuals, but assumed that as he has "made so many people's lives worse" You said he and did I assumed you would be able to expand on that. Which you have slightly.

How did JO make the lives of school kitchen staff worse?

Perhaps we have a big increase in childhood obesity and health problems because the cheapest easiest food is still the same food the was available back then, but now it's more expensive cheap food

And the increase in the cost of cheap and easy food is JO'S fault how?🤔

I use a shit tonne of oil, cream and butter in my kitchen but it's part of a home cooked meal. Never ever touch anything labelled as low fat (except crème fraiche as I find that one lighter).

This is balanced by very little processed, sugary or convenience food.

Not all "bad foods" are the same.