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Is anybody any good at reading the handwriting on old death certificates? What does this say?

81 replies

EightMonthsScared · 07/09/2023 22:14

The first word is obvious but we are stumped by the next two words?

What do we think MN? 🤔

It was 1901 if this helps your thinking?

Is anybody any good at reading the handwriting on old death certificates? What does this say?
OP posts:
CC222 · 08/09/2023 00:16

Looks like you might already have sussed if but any chance of posting a pic of the full cert if you're still not sure? It helps to look at the letter style with other words to figure out what letters might have been written 😊

JaneJeffer · 08/09/2023 00:17

Not such clear cursive after all then Grin

EightMonthsScared · 08/09/2023 00:39

Not such clear cursive after all then

😂

OP posts:
FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 08/09/2023 01:37

I'm late to the party, but very glad it was solved. I love historical documents like this. Well done, everybody!

HomeCountyHome · 08/09/2023 02:07

The 1901 census does not give the names or locations of employers, just the kind of work undertaken. Thus it is extremely unlikely to be Elswick Works. (And it clearly says Electrical anyway…)

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 08/09/2023 02:34

Might the census not differ from individual death certificates, though?

Is/was there anything stating that they had to match?

NannyR · 08/09/2023 06:59

HomeCountyHome · 08/09/2023 02:07

The 1901 census does not give the names or locations of employers, just the kind of work undertaken. Thus it is extremely unlikely to be Elswick Works. (And it clearly says Electrical anyway…)

It's a death certificate though, not a 1901 census entry, so it would have more detailed information.

Willyoubuymeahouseofgold · 08/09/2023 07:00

Labourer
Electrick
Works
There is a spelling error at end of electric.
If you look both are letter K at the y end. Fairly common

MarigoldMaud · 08/09/2023 08:35

Those of you saying Electrical/Electrick still what is the little notch between the C and T then? It’s quite clearly (now anyway) Elswick especially as OP has confirmed he came from Newcastle.

TurquoiseThings · 08/09/2023 14:35

The 3rd letter in the second word is an S. That's how they were written in that style. It's a fancy loopy capital E, then an L, then an S. so no, it's not electric or electrical, and very clearly ends in CK.

Mountainsandlakes · 08/09/2023 18:08

TurquoiseThings · 08/09/2023 14:35

The 3rd letter in the second word is an S. That's how they were written in that style. It's a fancy loopy capital E, then an L, then an S. so no, it's not electric or electrical, and very clearly ends in CK.

Yes. We were taught 'proper' cursive at school, I still use it for some letters, and it's Elswick, not Electrical. The fact he was from Newcastle ties in perfectly.

Random789 · 08/09/2023 18:20

Definitely Labourer [something] Works, but I can't make the middle word say 'electrical'.

ohboohoo · 08/09/2023 18:26

WittynotPretty · 07/09/2023 22:23

Labourer Electrical Works. Very clear cursive imo

You are very sure of yourself and yet embarrassingly for you, probably wrong. Very unlikely to be electrical works in 1901. Much more likely Elswick Works in Newcastle

newnamethanks · 08/09/2023 18:26

Have a look at the 1901 census and see if it helps. I spent a good few years pondering whatever my g-gfather did as a Cold Man. Finally dawned on me the transcriber had misread Cow Man. Much better.

Random789 · 08/09/2023 18:39

I can't make it say Elswick, either, And I don't think the certificate would specify an individual employer. (I appreciate that posts saying what the word isn't aren't very helpful Grin (unless you get enough posts to eliminate every word in the English language except the correct one)

ohboohoo · 08/09/2023 18:42

Random789 · 08/09/2023 18:39

I can't make it say Elswick, either, And I don't think the certificate would specify an individual employer. (I appreciate that posts saying what the word isn't aren't very helpful Grin (unless you get enough posts to eliminate every word in the English language except the correct one)

This whole thing is a capital E. the small curl at the bottom is just how they transitioned to the next letter

Is anybody any good at reading the handwriting on old death certificates? What does this say?
LuluBlakey1 · 08/09/2023 18:44

'Electricle' rather than 'electrical'. It is a common mis-spelling in the past.

sadaboutmycat · 08/09/2023 18:50

DWTKQHG · 07/09/2023 22:22

It's saying that he was a labourer at (name) Works. The second word is the name of the Works. It may be a geographical name or the name of the founder/owner of the Works. Further research into the area at the time of the certificate would help you.

Yes this. It wouldn't be electrical in 1901.

sadaboutmycat · 08/09/2023 18:51

Only 6% of homes had electricity by 1920. Unlikely to be Electrical Works!

Mountainsandlakes · 08/09/2023 22:52

LuluBlakey1 · 08/09/2023 18:44

'Electricle' rather than 'electrical'. It is a common mis-spelling in the past.

The third letter is an s not an e, and the word ends ck. We used to spend hours learning to write like this at school, each letter had to be formed between three lines and at no point were you allowed to take your fountain pen off the paper - hence all the loops.

The nearest I can find is this:

Is anybody any good at reading the handwriting on old death certificates? What does this say?
TurquoiseThings · 09/09/2023 00:48

For anyone not so familiar with cursive, this might help. I've traced over each letter in a different colour. You might have to zoom in to see properly.

Is anybody any good at reading the handwriting on old death certificates? What does this say?
alexdgr8 · 09/09/2023 00:53

BigBoysDontCry · 07/09/2023 22:19

Labourer Electric Works.

this is what i see;
possibly electrick spelling.

alexdgr8 · 09/09/2023 00:55

also why documents should only be folded vertically, if at all.
much easier to decipher one letter than a whole line.

alexdgr8 · 09/09/2023 00:58

sadaboutmycat · 08/09/2023 18:51

Only 6% of homes had electricity by 1920. Unlikely to be Electrical Works!

most was used by industry.
what about the london underground, eg .

alexdgr8 · 09/09/2023 00:59

the last word could be a local place name, or company name.