Daily Fail but when will these dogs be banned?

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Enough is enough.

Not by this gov, that would be woke

It's not the dog itself that's the problem it's the fact that any negligent idiot is allowed to buy one. These breeds and others like them tend to be attractive to certain types of owners who want a dog more for the status than the acts of ownership.

In the wrong hands any dog breed is going to be a liability, this owner could have had an out of control Yorkshire terrier running through a field of sheep, terrifying them, causing them to spontaneously abort lambs or run in to the road.

It really is the dog though.
No doubt the owners are at fault also but it's the breed.

If I did a poll I think I'd get 100% preference for fighting off a Yorkie rather than an XL bully.

I'd love a ban. Both the dogs and the morons that own then.

This would be the best idea.

It's the owner and the dog.

The only part of that equation we can ethically shoot dead is the dog.

it absolutely is the dog. These are huge,
powerful animals bred for aggression. With our without shit owners, they'll still be unpredictable. If my right pound small dog went nuts I could easily fight her off. Not so with a huge bully dog. I won't ever own a dog physically capable of overpowering me.

By that argument we'd be banning German Shepherds, Great Danes, old English sheepdogs.........

Any dog bigger than an adults knee height is going to be able to overpower an average adult in strength and speed.

Yes XL Bully's, Staffies etc are muscular, powerful dogs and in the wrong hands are potentially very dangerous, but in the wrong hands any dog is dangerous. Banning XL bullies will mean an increase in those people who currently irresponsibly own them, irresponsibly owning Dobermans, or Rottweilers, or Alsatians.

It won't get rid of the problem, just move it to a different breed.

I wouldn't have any large breed capavate of overpowering humans and think large dangerous breeds should always be on a lead when out in public. I've lost count of
the number of posts on my local facebook about aggressive out of control off lead dogs and they're always the same larger, more aggressive breeds. Some dog owners are extremely entitled.

By that argument we'd be banning German Shepherds, Great Danes, old English sheepdogs.........

Banning XL bullies will mean an increase in those people who currently irresponsibly own them, irresponsibly owning Dobermans, or Rottweilers, or Alsatians.

And yet, we’ve had significant populations of those breeds in the UK for decades without the quantity of deaths and life-changing injuries that are being seen from the recent and numerically insignificant extreme bull breed population.

I don’t think it helps anything to deny that there is an issue. The usual suspects will be along soon though, to say what a wonderful breed they are in the right hands. Perhaps that’s true, but if that’s the case there needs to be a way to restrict them.

Everyone can say ‘it’s not the dog it’s the owner’ until they are blue in the face but the size of the dog, and temperament are absolutely the main factor here. As a previous poster basically said, if I had to fight off a cocker spaniel I’d probably survive it. An XL Bully? Quite a high change of serious injury or death. It’s no safer that allowing folk to walk around with a gun in their pocket. And that is illegal. So these dogs should be too.

But it is the breed as these dogs are specifically bred to fight. This means they are chosen for their likeliness to ‘get stuck in’, and to be relentless in their pursuit and to do a lot of damage. Yes dogs like Alsatians, dobermen and Rottweilers are large and can also do damage but they are bred as guard dogs- to bark and intimidate. Not saying that means they won’t ever bite as they would, but it’s very different to being an attack dog and that being your main drive.

all dogs need socialisation and proper training to know what is acceptable and what isn’t. With the best will in the world with these XL bully breeds you are fighting against a very strong drive and instinct to cause harm. I have no doubt in the right hands they can be well trained and lovely dogs but all dogs can be a liability, I just feel with these breeds I’d be extra nervous because if anything did kick off you’d have little hope in stopping them.

I agree that any breed of dog , if out of control, can cause sheep to abort.
There are 2 separate issues here, one , is the idiots who don't control their dogs (whatever the breed) around livestock and the second is the fact that people want to own a dog that is by nature prone to attack.
Large breeds such as German Shepherds , Doberman's etc aren't by nature 'attack' dogs . Border collies will herd anything, lurchers will chase things because it's in their dna, bully breeds will attack because it's in their dna.

But where do you draw the line? what about an Alsatian, mountain dog, St Bernard etc they are all animals that are large and could over power an adult. A naughty Spanish could escape and chase sheep (it's not uncommon to see farmer posting about dogs scaring livestock who go on to abort).

You draw the line at dogs that are bred to fight. It’s not a dog’s size that makes it agressive, it’s their DNA. Since about 90% of these attacks on humans are from bully breeds, it doesn’t seem ridiculous to single them out.

Were you not old enough to read the papers in the 1980s?

GSDs, Rottweilers and Dobermanns were the original Devil Dogs of the tabloids.

It's purely as fashions change, the breeds chosen by shit owners change.

Yes it is these types of dogs.

They are not a type of dog that just anyone should be able to own.

Who needs this sort of dog? What purpose does this type (not breed, they are not a breed) of dog serve?

There has been an explosion in the number of them. Ipso facto, there has been an explosion in incidents involving them.

They are a liability and need getting rid of or put under very strict licence.

I agree about shit owners, or well intentioned ones who haven’t thought through the implications of having such a large, dominant dog.

I don’t know what the answer is. I feel like dog licences should come back but then people are only ‘banned’ after something has happened. Not sure how you’d vet people in advance.

muzzles and leads in public is fine, but sadly a lot of attacks happen in the home.

We’re you not old enough to read the papers in the 1980s?

I was, yes, and Rottweilers in particular did have the odd issue, mainly with children. However, the list of UK deaths by dogs clearly demonstrates that it wasn’t an issue the like of which we are seeing now.

There were and still are incidents involving these breeds because in the wrong hands, badly bred or badly reared individuals can be a danger, usually aggression towards people.

These bully things are fighting dogs. Very badly bred ones at that. They have never been bred by sensible people. They are a danger not only towards people but also other animals of all species hence the attacks on horses and cattle.

They are literally bred to fight, lock on and kill.

Yes the other breeds can be dangerous but generally they have more of a guarding instinct not so much of a savage fighting instinct which is what so many of these bull things want to do. Savage and kill whatever they come across.

They absolutely do need defending. There is no place for them in society.

They need strictly controlling and a system that upholds that control.

Like guns.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/642809

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This breed has been specially created for it's aggressive nature and extremely muscled body. It is absolutely the dog itself that is the problem! Of course the dogs can't help existing, since they've been bred by irresponsible twats, then bought by more irresponsible twats and then sold on and bought 'for buttons' by more absolute morons with little kids in their homes, but they should be a banned breed. They are an absolute menace. How many people and other animals have to be mauled to death before that happens?

Anyone that defends a type of dog bred purely for dog fighting and image needs their bloody head read.

Yes there were some incidents with Rottweilers and GSDs but they are both breeds, bred for a purpose (specialist legal work) for a very long time. They had there place.

These vile fucking bull things have no legal or moral place in this world because they are bringing so much misery. They are being developed as a nasty aggressive breed and are being bred for this purpose in modern day times.

Stop bloody defending them.

I'm not sure that we can blame the Spanish. They aren't exactly known to run amok in the countryside.

Really, really hate them. There was one off the lead in the park today. He ripped a leather football to shreds, like it was tissue paper.