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School closures due to crumbling concrete

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HoliHormonalTigerLillyTheSecond · 01/09/2023 06:02

JFC you are kidding me?!

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2023/aug/31/english-schools-told-to-close-buildings-made-with-crumble-risk-concrete]

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EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:06

I do agree goblin. It's easy to spot the perfect moment with hindsight, and yes governments have been miserable failures for about 20 years. However, given the talent on display right now, I am not optimistic for the next 20 either.

Frankly, I'm happy to be 67. And to have the options I currently have.

Out of interest, were you actively proposing the renewal and regeneration of the public weald 20 years ago? What did you think mattered most then?

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:09

If you cast your mind back to lockdown @JenniferBooth , you may recall that we were all told to stay at home and take the furlough money.

EucalyptusAndOranges · 03/09/2023 18:15

EffortlessDesmond · 01/09/2023 21:36

Would you prefer to be paying for PFI financed schools as a taxpayer? Looking at the record of improved NHS PFI financed improvements, I am not convinced. A very very costly route to avoid paying now in favour of shunting the costs down a generation.

Would I prefer to pay more taxes or risk children and teachers' lives? Yeah, I'd rather have higher taxes and schools that aren't going to crash in on top of pupils thanks.

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EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:17

Fair do @EucalyptusAndOranges . If you are happy to pay another 10p in the £ tax on your income, then I have no problem with that.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:19

But I probably won't stick around.

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 18:21

Yes i know that but if masks worked as well as they claimed they did............................... they could have worn a proper dust mask and kept a distance from each other

in June 2020 a company employed by our housing association started a roof replacement on these blocks of flats Took over 13 weeks just to do our block of four! They had a little hut they would have their breaks in in one of the car parks And they wernt wearing masks in there. Pointing all this out to pre empt someone saying "oh they couldnt have done it because of Covid" Plenty of construction went on elsewhere as well as here.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:26

That's lovely, but we worked all through COVID because our micro-business is a key contractor to the NHS, amongst others. We took all the precautions possible. But not much of our work is outdoors in fresh air.

EucalyptusAndOranges · 03/09/2023 18:29

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:17

Fair do @EucalyptusAndOranges . If you are happy to pay another 10p in the £ tax on your income, then I have no problem with that.

We're talking about schools collapsing on top of children and school staff. About parents sending their children into unsafe, unstable buildings. About people going to work in them. Of course this should have been a priority! Schools that aren't in imminent danger of killing and injuring everyone in them are not a 'nice to have'. It's absolutely essential.

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 18:30

We are a failed state

EucalyptusAndOranges · 03/09/2023 18:31

Schools were open during covid @JenniferBooth for children of key workers and vulnerable students. They didn't shut the buildings and they used all available space in them to spread out small groups.

EucalyptusAndOranges · 03/09/2023 18:32

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 18:30

We are a failed state

Completely agree. Austerity failed and we're all paying a far higher price now.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:34

I don't disagree about the perilous parlous state of the buildings, or the hazards for children and teachers, and of course I am not dismissing your fears. But that particular post wasn't a response to you directly, but to another PP.

noblegiraffe · 03/09/2023 18:50

They couldn't fix the RAAC during covid because they didn't know which schools had it. They still don't.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:51

Out of interest, how old was everyone in 2008? Were you old enough to read the newspaper?

It's really simple to type "austerity failed". We could both type that all day and all night, and nothing would alter. The banks and bankers that brought the crisis on us were not punished hard enough at the time to be forced to reconsider their business model.

JenniferBooth · 03/09/2023 18:55

Didnt Iceland punish their bankers I think they might have been the only ones who did

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 19:04

They might well have been @JenniferBooth . Financial services and fintech are businesses that seem to consider themselves above common sense rules in any era.

TheAloe · 03/09/2023 19:29

@EffortlessDesmond

It’s interesting regarding your comment about rebuilding post WW2. I live in Coventry. I mean we were blitzed to fuck here. All our schools were built in that timeframe but yet our LA released a media post this morning saying they’re not aware of any RAAC in our schools and it’s safe. What a load of fucking bollocks!!! Not one school in this city which was renowned for a quick rebuild post blitz? I smell bullshit. My own kids school is in a state of disrepair and is down for a complete rebuild. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 19:37

Coventry was one of the first concrete cities, as was Plymouth, the closest city to me. Both were flattened, and post war governments, Attlee, then McDonald (C) were under pressure to rebuild as fast as possible. Given the debt burden, it would be astonishing if either city ignored the ease and speed of building with RAAC in favour of stone and brick. So, no, like you, I do not believe the press releases.

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2023 20:05

My school is an utterly dilapidated 1950s and 60s heap prone to shedding its windows at any given time. But it doesn't have RAAC. It's not a given.

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 20:14

At least you are certain that someone has checked @Piggywaspushed . Not good to have windows falling out either though.

Piggywaspushed · 03/09/2023 20:18

Well,no....

TheThinkingGoblin · 03/09/2023 21:14

EffortlessDesmond · 03/09/2023 18:06

I do agree goblin. It's easy to spot the perfect moment with hindsight, and yes governments have been miserable failures for about 20 years. However, given the talent on display right now, I am not optimistic for the next 20 either.

Frankly, I'm happy to be 67. And to have the options I currently have.

Out of interest, were you actively proposing the renewal and regeneration of the public weald 20 years ago? What did you think mattered most then?

Maintaining and upgrading basic infrastructure like schools, hospitals, roads, bridges etc is basic governance.

That should have been 4% of GDP like other developed countries.

The UK made a mistake in the 90s when they reduced that to 3% But what has been criminal was the reduction since 2010 to 2%.

The constant short-termism that is crippling the country is a byproduct of dozens of raids on basic spending in order to pay for the bungs of the various beneficiaries (bankers, OAPs, NIMBYs etc)

England is failing now because of the constant "kicking the can down the road" while reducing critical spending on infrastructure, while giving political bungs has hit the proverbial wall.

It will take decades to fix this. And its also the number one driver of why our productivity is so shit.

People still don't understand the scale of the problem. We are talking about £200B+ of work needed just to get our existing infrastructure up to a basic standard.

People call me ageist on here for telling OAPs we cannot afford their triple lock when the infrastructure around them is crumbling.

And here we are. The buildings are now starting to crumble and this is just the tip of a very large problem going back 30+ years.

And yes, it will absolutely start killing people. Just a matter of time.

ParentingSolo · 03/09/2023 21:28

ASoapImpressionOfHisWifeWhichHeAte · 02/09/2023 09:06

@WhiteFire makes a good point- the secondary I went to was Victorian and my primary opened in 1905, so both will be "safe"... except both have expanded because of a rising population over the past 120-150years, much of that post-war, so they're both very likely to have RAAC in the expansions.

Our kids school is 1950s, so waiting to hear it's on the list. Worse still is the AP I work in; an original 1960s building (it used to be a primary school) but because it's an alternative provision the government haven't and won't inspect it for RAAC. So our headteacher is now frantically trying to make the calls and pay for someone to come out quickly and look at it.

Your poor Headteacher she/he must be stressed out of her/his mind

jallopeno · 04/09/2023 08:05

Why won't they publish a list. Transparency us key

jallopeno · 04/09/2023 08:06

NinaGM · 03/09/2023 10:16

The schools list is increasing all the time. I know of at least three additional to this.

Yeah there will be way more than that