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Nicknacky · 23/08/2023 23:51

Tulipvase · 23/08/2023 23:50

I’m a few down as I’m on holiday but how is that different to what the OP posted? I have double checked but am prepared to be corrected.

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That’s what the op posted

Nicknacky · 23/08/2023 23:52

Summa23 · 23/08/2023 23:47

I can't see any words that say this is his regular pattern.

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So your poor son is doing OT at time and a half/double time voluntary?

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Summa23 · 23/08/2023 23:53

Thisismynewusername1 · 23/08/2023 23:49

You don’t say it isn’t though.

you say those are his hours, and o/t is on top. So it’s implied those are what he does normally.

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But that can work both ways . I never at any point said it was his regular hours. I just said I felt bad for him working theses hours as they were the hours I was talikg about they were the hours I mentioned.

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Tulipvase · 23/08/2023 23:53

Nicknacky · 23/08/2023 23:51

That’s what the op posted

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Oh, sorry.

MissTrip82 · 23/08/2023 23:57

Shift work sucks.

I have no idea why so many non-shift workers are pulling the po-faced disingenuous ‘but surely he realised before he joined’ nonsense.

It’s perfectly possible to know what the job entails, understand why it’s needed, find the work rewarding, and still hate shift work. Shift workers know this.

Tulipvase · 23/08/2023 23:58

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/08/2023 23:48

Tulipvase
The son also doesn’t have a thread. But presumably you would have called the police to deal with any of the incidents that you would have dealt with whilst working for the HoC”

No, not once. Bugger all training, just had to handle things as they arose. Really, really hope that’s no longer the case. They weren’t in the HoC (where security is tight), they were in the constituency office in East London. Many years later, my then boss is still an MP and subjected to more abuse/threats than most.
It was often just me conducting the surgeries back then. I’m not sure that would be permitted now: bloody hope not.

I’m sorry for the shit you had to put up with. My dad was a LGO and was threatened with a hammer in his office. But presumably calling the police was an option available to you?

Tulipvase · 23/08/2023 23:59

MissTrip82 · 23/08/2023 23:57

Shift work sucks.

I have no idea why so many non-shift workers are pulling the po-faced disingenuous ‘but surely he realised before he joined’ nonsense.

It’s perfectly possible to know what the job entails, understand why it’s needed, find the work rewarding, and still hate shift work. Shift workers know this.

Quite.

Coolblur · 24/08/2023 00:00

I've worked full time doing shifts like these for many years, pre and post family. Yes it's hard at times, much more so since having a family, and it's tiring, but there are upsides.

I understand he is your son and you never stop caring, but he is a grown man embarking on a career he chose knowing shift work was a requirement, there's no need to feel sorry for him. He either sticks it out or quits and finds something else. Frankly if he can't hack the shifts as a young, responsibility free man then he will really struggle as he gets older, particularly so if he has a family. Perhaps he should do something else instead or get a grip.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/08/2023 00:07

Tulipvase

I’m sorry for the shit you had to put up with. My dad was a LGO and was threatened with a hammer in his office. But presumably calling the police was an option available to you?”

I suppose it was, yes. Was never suggested to me though and at that age it just wouldn’t have occurred to me tbh. At the time, I just got on with it and did the best I could. Looking back now though, makes my bloody hair stand on end!

What’s an LGO? Looked it up and the most likely seems to be Local Government Onbudsman?

Tulipvase · 24/08/2023 00:13

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/08/2023 00:07

Tulipvase

I’m sorry for the shit you had to put up with. My dad was a LGO and was threatened with a hammer in his office. But presumably calling the police was an option available to you?”

I suppose it was, yes. Was never suggested to me though and at that age it just wouldn’t have occurred to me tbh. At the time, I just got on with it and did the best I could. Looking back now though, makes my bloody hair stand on end!

What’s an LGO? Looked it up and the most likely seems to be Local Government Onbudsman?

Local government officer

Tulipvase · 24/08/2023 00:17

Tulipvase · 24/08/2023 00:13

Local government officer

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He was a Rent officer.

I do feel for you, and lots of similar roles but I feel/hope things have moved on for you. I fear things are worse for the poLice now.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/08/2023 00:20

Tulipvase

Local government officer”

Of course 🤯

It’s depressing. Day in day out people doing their level best to make other people’s lives better and increasingly facing threat.

Tulipvase · 24/08/2023 00:22

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/08/2023 00:20

Tulipvase

Local government officer”

Of course 🤯

It’s depressing. Day in day out people doing their level best to make other people’s lives better and increasingly facing threat.

Absolutely.

And I don’t want It to be a race to the bottom either.

Thank you for what you do/did.

Fenellapitstop · 24/08/2023 00:23

Nickynacky, the overtime rates have changed quite a bit, still no pay for first half hour of unexpected overtime then time and a third. Time and a half only for planned ot at short notice and double time purely for bank holidays

jlpth · 24/08/2023 00:26

Sounds heavy hours and antisocial timing. I would feel the same as you op.

Shady23 · 24/08/2023 00:47

I've worked some grim ones
Midday - midnight is always bad
7-7 as well

Probably the worst was (excluding when the clocks go back!)
4pm - 1am
5pm - 3am
5pm - 3am
4pm - 1am
Day off
8-5 (x 2-4 shifts)
2 days off
Repeat

nocoolnamesleft · 24/08/2023 00:52

Well, it's not great by modern standards. But I'd have killed to be on that pattern as a junior doctor. None of that working 76 hours straight (Friday 9am to Monday 1pm). There's a fair bit of evidence that progression patterns are the least bad shift pattern that incorporates nights. The problem is if he is routinely only getting 2 rest days, at the end of nights, that's a tight turnaround.

VashtaNerada · 24/08/2023 05:28

Glad to see there’s been some more sympathetic posts overnight! Shift work is hard, especially if the work is stressful. The police are desperately in need of good officers though so I hope it all works out. I’ve thought of something else positive as well OP - hopefully DS doesn’t have children yet because for us DH was on team working horrendous shifts when our first DC was a newborn. He went back to work the day I returned to hospital and I barely saw him for months. It’s definitely better to get this out the way while he’s still young and hopefully it will be a bit more settled when he reaches that stage of his life.

Dropthedonkey · 24/08/2023 06:40

How do police officers with young families make this work? (Particularly if you partner was in the same job!)

VashtaNerada · 24/08/2023 07:59

They don’t do much parenting in those roles tbh @Dropthedonkey ! DH did so much unexpected overtime in the early days that he would pretty much crash as soon as he got in and then get up a few hours later and go to work. We frequently had to do days out or holidays without him because of cancelled rest days. It’s totally different now though, his shifts are much better.
It’s very tricky if you’re both in the job, I have heard of people making it work but you need to negotiate new shifts for you both.

Nicknacky · 24/08/2023 08:39

Fenellapitstop · 24/08/2023 00:23

Nickynacky, the overtime rates have changed quite a bit, still no pay for first half hour of unexpected overtime then time and a third. Time and a half only for planned ot at short notice and double time purely for bank holidays

Not all forces still don’t pay the first half hour, the one I work for does and that changed about five years ago. Time and a third for unplanned overtime and either time and a half or double time for cancelled rest days descending on length of notice given.

lljkk · 24/08/2023 08:42

Shift work is what DD most dreads in her career (health care). Not wiping bums or being assaulted or poor pay... it's coping with weird sleeping schedule that she knows will be tough.

Elleherd · 24/08/2023 08:51

Nicknacky · Yesterday 21:49

Kellogg1 · Yesterday 21:49

He’s doing overtime for good money and pretending to mummy he’s forced to do it 😆
I’m cynical that he is at work at all….

Once a copper, always a copper 😂

Crunchymum · 24/08/2023 08:55

Summa23 · 23/08/2023 20:51

Ds is a policeman. He has to work 2 days 7am-4pm then 2-11pm for 2 days. Then 4 days of 10pm till 7pm. Plus any over time that happens. He then get 2 days off. Day 1 is spent kind of sleeping. Due to the over night working. 2nd day of. Then back to work . For 7am. Body clock is awful.

It did take a while for you to clarify this isn't his usual working pattern OP.

So this isn't forever and it will ease up for him (albeit he could end up having periods like this again)

Is he actually burnt out and seriously considering his ability to complete his training or did he just say that these shifts were hard?

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Summa23 · 24/08/2023 09:04

Crunchymum · 24/08/2023 08:55

It did take a while for you to clarify this isn't his usual working pattern OP.

So this isn't forever and it will ease up for him (albeit he could end up having periods like this again)

Is he actually burnt out and seriously considering his ability to complete his training or did he just say that these shifts were hard?

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I was spending most of the time trying to explain that as his mum I'm allowed to show empathy and understanding of how he feels then the other half explaining forced days which apprently do not exist even though it'd a rest day that taken away and you have to work it =forced rest day .

Also my op was like that because that's why I felt bad for him. Then hours he was doing. Possibly I could have bedn more clear. But when people are banging on about what something is called or may use different wording . Or gos on about he's an adult he choose that bla bla. Why do I care etc etc I can get a bit lost in the trying to explain

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