Page 6 | If it was proven that there is no afterlife

magicalkitty · 2023-08-13T20:17:09+00:00

No heaven, no reincarnation, no seeing our loved ones again... Would it make you live life or see things any differently? I think a lot of everyday life things may suddenly seem very meaningless. A lot of us like to believe there is something else to come, even if not religious.

continentallentil · 14/08/2023 00:55

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 00:22

Well I fully believe there's an afterlife.
I enjoy listening to peoples experiences on YouTube like this man's
When my grandmother was in her final days She told us very coherently that her parents were in the room, and in her final hours the feeling of being close to 'god' or something indescribable was so intense, I can't explain it.

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That is just your brain keeping you occupied to the final curtain.

Cosycatz · 14/08/2023 00:56

Are there dinosaurs there? Will they be dangerous?

I’m absolutely happy to take comfort in the idea of a person I love being in an afterlife but I know that I don’t personally really believe it. I would use it as a comforting idea. Faith helps us through extreme difficulties and life can be extremely difficult. Anything healthy that gives comfort in that is a good thing. I don’t believe in God but the idea of having a God part of our brain is scientifically proven. I see these ideas of God and an afterlife as coping mechanisms and coping stories, these are good things.

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 00:57

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

If there is a proven cause to these experiences that are purely scientific we wouldn't have hundreds of scientists from the around the world studying it. My local hospital even had a study on it.

Annaishere · 14/08/2023 00:57

I’m looking forward to not having to pee anymore though

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 00:58

Annaishere · 14/08/2023 00:44

What I find really interesting though is that the experience appears to take place from the vantage point of a higher dimension that seems more real than this one

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Have you ever been utterly stoned or tripped on psychoactives?

I've been to plenty places that felt like a 'higher dimension' and they all felt real at the time. None of them were any sort of divinely inspired utopia, they were all very much figments of my own imagination and existed only in my head. They do sometimes come with out of body and floating sensations, weird lights aren't uncommon either.

Again, it's hardly a surprise that people report 'odd' experiences when they are in places like trauma rooms and operating theatres when one of the things that commonly occurs in these places is that they dope you up to the gills.

peachbasil · 14/08/2023 00:58

I thought everyone knew there isn't an afterlife. It's just a sweet thing to say. Like Santa!

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 00:59

@WantingToEducate

Death is an end to you and I but when we pass over it's thought that we are 'all one' and that our consciousnesses is just dipping into this existence and experiencing it in different ways.

Lightningspeed · 14/08/2023 00:59

WantingToEducate · 14/08/2023 00:55

When it comes to things that have no logical explanations, yes.

I just cannot accept that when we die we all go somewhere else and we stay there
forever and ever and ever and ever for eternity.

What on earth would be the point in that?

There has to be an end at some point and I don’t see why death isn’t that end.

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Quantum physics as people understand it is not frigging logical. Nobody understands the nature of reality, we just use best guess approximations.

We have come pretty far, but don't kid yourself that we understand the nature of reality.

UnfunnyJester · 14/08/2023 01:01

What your mother experienced is so common there's a name for it: death bed visitors.

This is fascinating because so many cultures say that when it's someone's time to die, loved ones who have already passed come to take them.
It's a common belief globally.

WantingToEducate · 14/08/2023 01:02

Annaishere · 14/08/2023 00:57

I’m looking forward to not having to pee anymore though

Don’t have too high hopes for that as how do people in the afterlife sustain themselves if they don’t eat or drink?

If we are just balls of energy that don’t die, what is allowing that energy to continue? Surely all energy is powered by something? We keep ourselves alive and powered up by eating and drinking in this life, so what keeps us going in the Afterlife?

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:03

@Lightningspeed

Quantum physics is such an interesting topic. I listened to one famous scientist say that according to quantum physics there is someone out there that looks identical to you, doing the exact same thing at the exact same time and place just in another dimension.

continentallentil · 14/08/2023 01:03

Lightningspeed · 14/08/2023 00:59

Quantum physics as people understand it is not frigging logical. Nobody understands the nature of reality, we just use best guess approximations.

We have come pretty far, but don't kid yourself that we understand the nature of reality.

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Obviously there’s lots we don’t understand but there is no reason to think there’s an afterlife. Of course there could be, it’s just spectacularly unlikely, and wishing cannot make it otherwise.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 01:05

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 00:57

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

If there is a proven cause to these experiences that are purely scientific we wouldn't have hundreds of scientists from the around the world studying it. My local hospital even had a study on it.

Can you provide an example where scientists concluded there was anything in play other than oxygen starvation, anaesthesia, or typical 'dream' type experiences that people experience in unconscious states anyway?

Annaishere · 14/08/2023 01:05

@XDownwiththissortofthingX ive taken lsd but it isn’t the same. I do think it could be explained by non- supernatural effects such as your brain keeping a stored copy of the room you’re seeing again from outside your normal body viewpoint and enhancing it. There’s a soul feeling too. But if an experience like that isn’t real how can you know what is

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:05

@continentallentil

I don't 'wish' for anything. I'm just interested in it. If you're more interested in love island or instagram then go you, but trying to convince people who have researched these things is futile.

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:07

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

They're still studying it. There are no conclusive publicised articles on it yet that I'm aware of. Perhaps you can do some research and let me know if you find anything.

WantingToEducate · 14/08/2023 01:08

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 00:58

Have you ever been utterly stoned or tripped on psychoactives?

I've been to plenty places that felt like a 'higher dimension' and they all felt real at the time. None of them were any sort of divinely inspired utopia, they were all very much figments of my own imagination and existed only in my head. They do sometimes come with out of body and floating sensations, weird lights aren't uncommon either.

Again, it's hardly a surprise that people report 'odd' experiences when they are in places like trauma rooms and operating theatres when one of the things that commonly occurs in these places is that they dope you up to the gills.

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The same with people with epilepsy - I bet if you spoke to a large number of people who have seizures I’m sure many of them would explain all kinds of strange phenomena they experience, including ones relating to seeing God or Heaven etc

It’s not a NDE though, it all just a result of disrupted neurological function. It’s not real even though it may seem very real at the time.

Lightningspeed · 14/08/2023 01:08

The whole non local reality of particles is a bit frigging odd. Suggests to me that that we have no clue about what is really going on.

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:09

@WantingToEducate

My daughter has epilepsy and she hasn't reported to me anything unusual other then feeling like utter crap.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 01:09

UnfunnyJester · 14/08/2023 01:01

What your mother experienced is so common there's a name for it: death bed visitors.

This is fascinating because so many cultures say that when it's someone's time to die, loved ones who have already passed come to take them.
It's a common belief globally.

The reason these things transcend religions and cultures is just part of the human condition. We're empathetic and caring by nature, and being not much different to each other, we all tell the same things to ourselves to placate and soothe ourselves at difficult times.

The reason different religions have variations on the theme is because religion habitually commandeers things which are part of the human condition anyway, and then implies that religion 'taught' this to humanity. See also morality and ethical systems. People intrinsically know right from wrong without religion, but religion still tries to monopolise and claim hegemony of morality.

WantingToEducate · 14/08/2023 01:12

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:09

@WantingToEducate

My daughter has epilepsy and she hasn't reported to me anything unusual other then feeling like utter crap.

A big study of one then…..

I too have epilepsy and like your daughter I don’t experience feelings like I described, but after suffering with it for 24 years and being part of support forums, and face to face support groups for the duration of that time, I can tell you that a lot of people who have seizures (and I’m referring to partial seizures, not tonic clonic seizures) talk about “higher dimension” experiences.

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:12

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

My grandmother wasn't religious. She was a very matter of fact women who believed in nothing and was more interested in her hair and nails then anything else.

Lightningspeed · 14/08/2023 01:12

@XDownwiththissortofthingX can you explain why humans have sentience?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 01:13

fullbloom87 · 14/08/2023 01:07

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

They're still studying it. There are no conclusive publicised articles on it yet that I'm aware of. Perhaps you can do some research and let me know if you find anything.

Perhaps you could do your own research, since you're the one who appears to believe there is anything to NDE beyond mundane, obvious explanations.

Why would I research something looking for answers to questions I'm not asking?

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 14/08/2023 01:14

Lightningspeed · 14/08/2023 01:12

@XDownwiththissortofthingX can you explain why humans have sentience?

The same reason some other species show sentience. Evolutionary biology, and a healthy dose of biological and chemical accident.