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Sainsburys checkout lady said that “lots of people are switching back to cash just now”

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Harpings · 28/07/2023 08:26

I know it’s just one checkout person. But is this something others have noticed/ are doing? Just wondering if so and why it would be ?

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taxguru · 28/07/2023 11:40

MsRosley · 28/07/2023 11:32

Hardly a conspiracy to be concerned about the wider implications of a cashless society.

Yes, ideally, you have both, but realistically, cash is getting rarer and rarer and the boat has long since sailed for those who don't want to use banks, online banking etc. The time to campaign and object was around a decade ago. The future is cashless whether we like it or not, and the sooner that people learn to live with it and embrace online banking etc the better otherwise they're going to end up having major problems. As many have said upthread, in case of power outages or banking outages, we're screwed anyway because we won't be able to withdraw cash from ATMs and most shops wouldn't be open to accept cash anyway. Even if you found an open shop, it'll soon run out of stock.

It's why banks had to be kept afloat in the 2008 banking crisis and why we had to "print" billions of pounds of support monies during covid - you have to look at the bigger picture and have to keep everything up and running as everything is inter-linked to everything else. If there were major power or banking crises, having a bit of cash under the bed wouldn't really be that much good, and even less use if the crisis carried on for anything longer than a few days!

Switcher · 28/07/2023 11:42

It is natural for people to fear change, and a bit naive to say "if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to worry about" - because that would also be true in a completely repressive state, where "nothing to hide" meant that you never undermined the policies and diktats of the ruling party. They dressed it all up the same way that many things are nowadays, as "for your own safety". Democratic power was hard won in many countries, and many people come from those countries or have a passing acquaintance with history. Doesn't make all the conspiracy theories right either, but it's worth thinking about why they resonate.

taxguru · 28/07/2023 11:45

everetting · 28/07/2023 11:38

Monzo costs £5 per month fee. Why would I pay that so I can pay a £3 parking fee once a month?

Don't know what you're looking at there. Basic Monzo accounts are free, I've just checked their website. They charge for the accounts with more facilities, just like most other banks do, so maybe you looked at the wrong account. Halifax, Nationwide and Santander also offer free basic bank accounts with debit cards, as do most of the other major banks, so lots of scope to get a second (or third or fourth) free debit card account with online banking just for minor spends like car parks.

Qbishy · 28/07/2023 11:46

BertieBotts · 28/07/2023 08:28

It's a social media conspiracy thing. If you use cash then it means you're not controlled by the government who is on a mission to make a cashless society (sounds like a load of rubbish to me but who knows).

How very privileged of you. It might be that if people take cash out of the bank when they're stretched, they know that that money can't just be eaten up by a black hole in their bank account.

Qbishy · 28/07/2023 11:48

taxguru · 28/07/2023 11:45

Don't know what you're looking at there. Basic Monzo accounts are free, I've just checked their website. They charge for the accounts with more facilities, just like most other banks do, so maybe you looked at the wrong account. Halifax, Nationwide and Santander also offer free basic bank accounts with debit cards, as do most of the other major banks, so lots of scope to get a second (or third or fourth) free debit card account with online banking just for minor spends like car parks.

Not everyone can just "get a bank account". Credit checks, political views, etc...

gemstoneju · 28/07/2023 11:49

Maybe she just thinks that because the tills that are operated by humans take cash. In my local Tesco, the self-service are all but two card-only.

Augustus40 · 28/07/2023 11:51

I think radio 4 mentioned this only this morning but I wasn't listening attentively.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 28/07/2023 11:52

BertieBotts · 28/07/2023 08:28

It's a social media conspiracy thing. If you use cash then it means you're not controlled by the government who is on a mission to make a cashless society (sounds like a load of rubbish to me but who knows).

There is some truth to it they know how much we are earning. Why else is there a price hike on everything?

Augustus40 · 28/07/2023 11:53

I keep a modest stash of cash at home in case my cards are stolen etc. You never know.

megletthesecond · 28/07/2023 11:54

I find it easier to budget with cash. There's not the annoying overlap of actual balance and pending balance when I can sometimes get it wrong.

ThelmaBorden · 28/07/2023 11:55

there are still businesses which are ‘cash only’ - I’m not going to name them or describe location obviously - these include hairdressers x2, our busy dry cleaners preference, market stalls, small plant nursery, cafes, pub in Yorkshire! coffee shops, a stately home gift shop, famously, nail bars, (one of which was always busy, had a large sign in the window, ‘cash only’ we always sat in fear of armed robbers),
window cleaner, 2hour gardener, non Uber taxis, carpet fitter, plumber, electrician, handyman, veg from overproducing allotment grower all hush hush, and for visiting grandchildren.

I can budget better having cash, although I am requiring twice the amount I needed say eighteen months ago.
Thinking ‘I cannot afford this’ is easier knowing you have only £7 left until the next payday rather than relying on hitting the plastic. Cash affords discipline, a natural inhibitor, strikes good deals, keeps the cash flowing,
piggy banks shaken, emergency and running away funds topped up, banks in their rightful place.

Quisquam · 28/07/2023 12:02

Monzo costs £5 per month fee. Why would I pay that so I can pay a £3 parking fee once a month?

A Chase bank account on an app with a debit card is free; and afaik credit checks are minimal? Every time I spend money on my Chase card, there is a notification on my phone within a few minutes, and I can look at my payments for every month at any time. They also do a statement every month. There is none of this pending balance either to confuse people!

Nanny0gg · 28/07/2023 12:03

Harpings · 28/07/2023 08:26

I know it’s just one checkout person. But is this something others have noticed/ are doing? Just wondering if so and why it would be ?

Because maybe people really don't want us to be completely cashless?

Nanny0gg · 28/07/2023 12:05

ThelmaBorden · 28/07/2023 11:55

there are still businesses which are ‘cash only’ - I’m not going to name them or describe location obviously - these include hairdressers x2, our busy dry cleaners preference, market stalls, small plant nursery, cafes, pub in Yorkshire! coffee shops, a stately home gift shop, famously, nail bars, (one of which was always busy, had a large sign in the window, ‘cash only’ we always sat in fear of armed robbers),
window cleaner, 2hour gardener, non Uber taxis, carpet fitter, plumber, electrician, handyman, veg from overproducing allotment grower all hush hush, and for visiting grandchildren.

I can budget better having cash, although I am requiring twice the amount I needed say eighteen months ago.
Thinking ‘I cannot afford this’ is easier knowing you have only £7 left until the next payday rather than relying on hitting the plastic. Cash affords discipline, a natural inhibitor, strikes good deals, keeps the cash flowing,
piggy banks shaken, emergency and running away funds topped up, banks in their rightful place.

There is obviously much less tipping going on too.

And churches that relied on a few coin in the collect must be massively down.

Not to mention charity tins

Rainraingoawaynow · 28/07/2023 12:05

Yes I started working at Tesco in march on the checkouts and a lot more people use cash than I expected

userxx · 28/07/2023 12:05

BertieBotts · 28/07/2023 08:28

It's a social media conspiracy thing. If you use cash then it means you're not controlled by the government who is on a mission to make a cashless society (sounds like a load of rubbish to me but who knows).

Bingo.

My mates dickhead partner bleats this shit.

Tahitiansummer · 28/07/2023 12:07

soundsys · 28/07/2023 08:43

This is interesting- hardly any local businesses where I am take cash now

Same here. It's probably reflective of the area you live in.

SisterMaryLoquacious · 28/07/2023 12:08

One other factor that might influence increased cash purchases at Sainsbury's is that if you're in debt for COL reasons and have an unauthorised overdraft then the only way your mum/daughter/friend can lend/give you twenty quid to do an emergency top up shop is in cash - if she transfers it to your bank account like she normally might then it would be immediately offset against your debt and you wouldn't be able to spend it.

Truemilk · 28/07/2023 12:09

I have a spending problem and its literally the only way I can control how much I spend

Rainraingoawaynow · 28/07/2023 12:12

capricorn12 · 28/07/2023 10:53

I work in retail and one day a couple of weeks ago had a day where loads of people paid cash, large amounts in some cases to the point where I could hardly shut the till. That day was unusual but I agree that there has definitely been an upsurge in cash payments.

Can you not do a till lift ?
And send it down to the cash office?

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 28/07/2023 12:16

I think we very much need both in society – for different purposes and for different personal preferences/lifestyles/circumstances (whether as a business or a customer). Just like we wouldn’t seek to get rid of tea, just because coffee is getting a lot more popular, or vice versa.

I do think that cash is helpful for children and some people with learning difficulties, as there’s a certain amount of understanding and assumption that you need to use cards, which comes naturally to most people, but isn’t necessarily obvious to very young and very vulnerable people.

Also, whilst some traders who prefer/only accept cash are undoubtedly doing so to avoid their taxes, many sole traders and tiny businesses, for whom their profit is effectively their own wages, will legitimately put everything through the books, but then avoid paying fees to pay it into the bank and then paying more fees to withdraw it again.

I think those people dismissing it as conspiracy theory are maybe not thinking of the whole picture. Especially the PP who then went on to show it as an undeniable conspiracy FACT in China!

Yes, some people take it way too far, but how on earth is it a ‘conspiracy theory’ to say that banks can track your online/card spending but they can’t track cash spending? Banks can already be required to pass information to the government when ordered to do so; the way things are going, it would be the easiest thing in the world to ‘defund’ and ‘financially cancel’ anybody who expresses dissent from ‘official’ policy – just like seems to have happened already with Farage (granted, that’s in-house rather than the work of the government). Yes, if you become a complete persona-non-grata, the banks can easily cut you off, so that you can't access cash either; but not if you have the occasional transaction which would not be considered 'favourable' and which you may want to make discreetly.

Look at the ‘TERF-blocker’ programme on social media, where those who hold ‘controversial’ views simply press a button and you can’t ever interact with them on SM at all – no questions asked, no individual considerations at all. Fine if you don’t care about having anything to do with the TRAs online – that’s no biggie; but if your bank could do the same to you, because ‘somebody’ along the line found that you had financially engaged with a socially-verboten person or organisation, that might be a tad more inconvenient.

We’re not talking about people with extreme views – simply openly and peacefully expressing the same views that almost everybody held just a few years ago (in fact, the majority still do, but are too frightened to speak up), you potentially risk a huge amount before too long - as our friends in China and other countries are already experiencing right now.

willowstar · 28/07/2023 12:17

The availability of places to use cash varies a lot by location. I live in a small market town. Most businesses still accept cash, though the last bank will close next month so not sure for how long. However, I work in the city of London and hardly any of the businesses I go to there (coffee shops mainly) accept cash. Also loads of the coffee shops in London are self-service, as in you order at a machine and just stand and wait, whereas nowhere in my little town is like it.

In the town we spend a lot of time in up on the Norfolk coast the WiFi can be dodgy and the card machines just don't always work.

Our country is still really varied. Decisions made centrally don't always make sense in different locations I suppose.

taxguru · 28/07/2023 12:25

Nanny0gg · 28/07/2023 12:05

There is obviously much less tipping going on too.

And churches that relied on a few coin in the collect must be massively down.

Not to mention charity tins

In our village church, the "cash" trays have been pretty empty of coins/notes for years really. They encourage people to "gift aid" so they get the tax relief, so most people donate by standing order and do a yearly gift aid declaration, instead of having to fill out a gift aid declaration envelope for the cash every week. It's usually only the casual/occasional visits who donate in cash.

Charity collectors often have small card readers these days (and more recently, smart phones can have apps to accept cards being "pinged" directly onto the phone).

You can program card machines in restaurants, hairdressers, etc to ask "tip?" and then the cardholder can enter the amount of tip they wish to leave before presenting their card.

taxguru · 28/07/2023 12:26

Rainraingoawaynow · 28/07/2023 12:12

Can you not do a till lift ?
And send it down to the cash office?

A small/independent shop won't have a "cash office" and there may be nowhere to do a "till lift" to!

Even bigger supermarkets have scaled down their "cash office" back rooms and don't have people sat there counting cash all day anymore.

ThelmaBorden · 28/07/2023 12:27

Nanny0gg · 28/07/2023 12:05

There is obviously much less tipping going on too.

And churches that relied on a few coin in the collect must be massively down.

Not to mention charity tins

Yes I thought about these examples you mention after I had posted.
dont know about Church
I do tip small amounts of left over cash into charity tins in charity shops
we don’t appear to have chuggers in these parts.

Tipping - I used to tip delivery drivers, IKEA, Amazon etc,
but found they would look at the £2 coin in their palm in bafflement.
One said thanks it would go in his little boy’s moneybox

Now we have little bottles of water for them, or in the heatwave, ice lollies,
Magnum mostly, drivers’ eyes light up

Never give a delivery driver a cold beer

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