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Child ethnicity - what to put?

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Whatidentity · 26/07/2023 11:52

I am mixed race. Married to a white man and we have a child.

Having to fill in my child’s first form that has “ethnicity” on it. My child is 3/4 white, and I think ticking “white British” is appropriate but somehow makes me v sad that my identity isn’t in there too!

That’s obviously my issue and not my child’s (!).

But what would you tick? “White British” or “mixed”? My child looks very white. So ticking “mixed” feels somehow not true? But ticking “white British” makes me feel a little deleted.

OP posts:
HeyLovee · 26/07/2023 14:14

Personally, it depends on who is asking the question.
My son is mixed race - I don’t find it necessary to state this unless for medical reasons though (certain conditions more prevalent in particular ethnicities).
Even then, the tick boxes don’t cover his true ethnicity (black Caribbean - consisting of African and Indian heritage, white British and Ashkenazi Jewish - which doesn’t even feature on forms despite there being many genetic conditions linked to this heritage!).

Newshoess · 26/07/2023 14:24

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves hmm I don't agree with the personal identity part. However I will be honest thats probably to do with how me and my siblings were raised. My dad is full black, my mum is half white and half black. Me and my siblings are all full siblings. My brother is quite dark in comparison to our other siblings. His nose is English though and his hair is a lot more looser than mine. I just see it as making things over complicated.

Like you are saying though one can identify as whatever they like indeed. Doesn't make it factual though.

Kinsters · 26/07/2023 14:32

I think it's very particular to you (and your children if they're old enough). At the moment we put our children down as the same race as their father as it's just easier. If we moved away from his home country maybe we'd start ticking the "mixed" box. I don't know though.

MaxwellCat · 26/07/2023 14:32

I'm the opposite im mixed race but my childrens father is black so they are 1/4 white. I put mixed not black.

AlwaysWantingIceLollies · 26/07/2023 14:33

I'd always of put white British as I'm 3/4 white. In midwife appointments they ask heritage and I always say my grandmother is Greek etc etc.

Always been noted as white British until one pregnancy I was booked as Southern European on my notes and I had extra blood tests done for a reason I've forgotten now, but higher rate of a certain illness in southern Europeans.

Now I think its actually important for medical reasons as pp has said, where before it didn't even register with me to put it down.

Whatidentity · 26/07/2023 14:43

gogomoto · 26/07/2023 13:09

There's no correct answer and you can refuse to complete it if you prefer. Please don't let it worry you. As far as celebrating your heritage, why not start your own ways of doing so - my friends through an amazing Diwali party each year, she's 1/4 Indian and like you isn't really in touch with that part of her family but we cook Asian inspired food (authenticity I'm not claiming) put up lights, the kids made lamps etc. then we all went to the city Diwali celebration, at least half the people there are not Asian either!

I love this. Thank you :)

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RandomUsernameHere · 26/07/2023 14:47

Similar situation here, I'm half Chinese and DH is white. I've often wondered the same as you, OP. Not that it really matters outside of a medical context, but because my DC look white (as do I to a lot of people) it seems like it could be missing the point to say they are mixed race, regardless of how we identify.

JollyGood777 · 26/07/2023 14:49

As a person of mixed-heritage -YOU DO NOT Let the child choose (they are what they are) -teach them to cherish it

elodiedie · 26/07/2023 14:54

JollyGood777 · 26/07/2023 14:49

As a person of mixed-heritage -YOU DO NOT Let the child choose (they are what they are) -teach them to cherish it

Of course you let the child choose once they are old enough to do so. As this thread shows, race is a social construct and people have their own ideas about how it relates to them. There is no right or wrong.

JollyGood777 · 26/07/2023 14:57

elodiedie · 26/07/2023 14:54

Of course you let the child choose once they are old enough to do so. As this thread shows, race is a social construct and people have their own ideas about how it relates to them. There is no right or wrong.

May I ask your heritage? I am speaking from my experience - you are speaking from yours

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2023 16:38

elodiedie · 26/07/2023 14:54

Of course you let the child choose once they are old enough to do so. As this thread shows, race is a social construct and people have their own ideas about how it relates to them. There is no right or wrong.

Eats shoots and leaves

bogoblin · 26/07/2023 17:02

We're in the same position - my partner is mixed race, I'm white, so the children are 3/4 white and white-passing. We put mixed race down for them and it meant that they qualified for the BCG vaccine as their grandparent is from Pakistan where there is a high rate of TB. I don't know if that helps at all!

Newshoess · 26/07/2023 17:03

@JollyGood777 we live in a generation where you can be referred to as anything you like, it's getting ridiculous. The kids have so much choice which leads to confusion. You wouldn't go around saying you had blue eyes if they were dark brown.

LuluGuinea · 26/07/2023 17:13

AlwaysWantingIceLollies · 26/07/2023 14:33

I'd always of put white British as I'm 3/4 white. In midwife appointments they ask heritage and I always say my grandmother is Greek etc etc.

Always been noted as white British until one pregnancy I was booked as Southern European on my notes and I had extra blood tests done for a reason I've forgotten now, but higher rate of a certain illness in southern Europeans.

Now I think its actually important for medical reasons as pp has said, where before it didn't even register with me to put it down.

Yes it can be important . Greek is one of the at risk groups for Thalassemia, IIRC.

JurassicParkaha · 26/07/2023 17:29

I think because of the Indian heritage might be worth putting down 'mixed' as in a medical setting Indians have a higher risk of diabetes and heart disease. And the nhs does sometimes invite people with Indian heritage for additional check ups or offers different guidance because of it. So it's good for doctors to have that information available to them. And then you might as well maintain consistency across all forms.

Grimwood · 26/07/2023 18:19

I have this - my DC dad is mixed race and I am white. I always put down mixed for my children because they are? I’ve never seen it about being what they look like ( and agree in medical
settings can be relevant)

LuluGuinea · 26/07/2023 18:31

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 26/07/2023 14:04

I agree, but my point is that it's subjective.

My dd is mixed race (her dad and I are from different ethnic backgrounds). I will certainly regard any future grandchildren as being mixed. But if they are mixed, then surely their children will also be mixed, technically. As, indeed, will their grandchildren. Regardless of who they pair up with. At some point, it will probably seem irrelevant to them, but that will be different for different families.

Who gets to say if grandparents, great grandparents (or great, great etc grandparents) are relevant? Who gets to decide when their contribution to the ethnic mix should be erased? Surely that depends on the personal identity of each individual?

There are people on this thread with non-white grandparents who consider themselves to be white. Who am I to argue with that? There will be people with heritage in their great grandparents' generation who value that heritage and consider themselves to be mixed. Again, who am I to argue with that?

There is no simple answer to the question of what people "are" because there isn't a simple objective reality. Aren't most of us probably a bit mixed if we go back far enough?

I think there's no hard and fast rules in how far back people can go. It's very personal. Some people may think being 1/16 something is important to them, others don't care and don't bother including it.

NumericalBlock · 26/07/2023 18:34

We're exactly the same here, I put White British for them unless there is a medical relevance as some things are more common for other races and my non-British 'half' falls into one of those other races.

CharlotteBog · 26/07/2023 18:56

I am 1/2 Indian.
I am white.
I tick "mixed white and Asian" when asked for my ethnicity.
I ticked "mixed white and Asian" for my 2 sons until they were old enough to decide. One says white and the other says "mixed white and Asian"

pollymere · 02/08/2023 00:17

Mine is similar but with Chinese Grandmother on one side and an Irish Grandfather on the other.

I would say White British/Asian or Indian. How do you identify yourself is probably important.

I'm White Irish and DH is Mixed Race Other because Chinese isn't an option on the forms. We went with Mixed Race Other for DC. It's at the bottom of the forms.

emsie12345 · 02/08/2023 01:10

My mam is mixed race, my dad is white. I identify as mixed race too.

MyInduction · 02/08/2023 04:39

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 26/07/2023 14:04

I agree, but my point is that it's subjective.

My dd is mixed race (her dad and I are from different ethnic backgrounds). I will certainly regard any future grandchildren as being mixed. But if they are mixed, then surely their children will also be mixed, technically. As, indeed, will their grandchildren. Regardless of who they pair up with. At some point, it will probably seem irrelevant to them, but that will be different for different families.

Who gets to say if grandparents, great grandparents (or great, great etc grandparents) are relevant? Who gets to decide when their contribution to the ethnic mix should be erased? Surely that depends on the personal identity of each individual?

There are people on this thread with non-white grandparents who consider themselves to be white. Who am I to argue with that? There will be people with heritage in their great grandparents' generation who value that heritage and consider themselves to be mixed. Again, who am I to argue with that?

There is no simple answer to the question of what people "are" because there isn't a simple objective reality. Aren't most of us probably a bit mixed if we go back far enough?

I am half Asian half white so my baby is 3/4 white and 1/4 Asian. She is mixed race. However, I think 1/4 is the limit, maybe 1/8. If you're 1/16 or more then you're not mixed race.

lljkk · 02/08/2023 05:18

I get to tick 'white other' on these forms. Even though my ancestors actually came mostly from Britain (white), that was hundreds of years ago. So I don't get to call myself white British.

DC would always put white British because it is how they identify.
You could literally tick a different box every time at random if you liked, OP. It's just a statistical thing and no one can say you're wrong.

Littleoxforddictionary · 02/08/2023 05:33

Exactly the same situation here. I used to struggle but let them choose how they wished to answer as soon as they were old enough to understand. Now they are older I think one chooses mixed race and one white and the other I think switches. Interestingly their choices reflect how they look. One definitely looks mixed race, one white and one could be either.

AutumnOcean · 02/08/2023 06:19

I always tick White/Asian for my children. Their Asian heritage is very important to us. They can choose what they like when they're older.

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