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How does the BBC get out of the presenter mess?

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mids2019 · 11/07/2023 07:13

Seriously how does the BBC now go forward and what can be the conclusion to this story? The story could run for some time with on going speculation about the presenter and eventually in my opinion a name will drop.

Can there therefore be any sort of fair investigation because I think there may be too much aspirational damage now for a career to be as ed. It seems the knives the BBC sit on this the more scrutiny there is and they desperately need a conclusion?

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LunaNorth · 11/07/2023 08:45

They need to pay these people less. Too much money, too much ego, too much pressure, too much entitlement.

And it’s our bloody licence fee he’s used as well.

Grim bastard.

Doagooddeed · 11/07/2023 08:45

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 07:52

I find it bemusing folks are trying to blame the parents or the sun and accusing them of lying rather than think this could be true, because it’s so unbelievable that a man could behave like this.

No, i'm open minded on the subject & of course men can behave appallingly but you nor i have a clue about what has really gone on here but if it were so clear cut, the Police would be involved... so far they are not.

But history tells us that the SUN is not a bastion of truth and honesty, parents and their children fall out over lifestyles.

The Sun has already changed its story to suit the facts and their editor is very anti BBC.

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:47

Doagooddeed · 11/07/2023 08:45

No, i'm open minded on the subject & of course men can behave appallingly but you nor i have a clue about what has really gone on here but if it were so clear cut, the Police would be involved... so far they are not.

But history tells us that the SUN is not a bastion of truth and honesty, parents and their children fall out over lifestyles.

The Sun has already changed its story to suit the facts and their editor is very anti BBC.

The police are involved and put out a statement saying they are now assessing to see which course of action to take

nettie434 · 11/07/2023 08:47

I find the whole business really strange. Why go to The Sun, rather than the police, if you are concerned about your child? Have the parents received any money from The Sun? The Sun must have realised that there would be speculation about the identity of the presenter. By accompanying their original report with a rear head and shoulders stock image of a young man, The Sun must have known the assumption would be that the young person was male. At the same time, by not confirming the young person's sex, they have caused maximum disruption to the reputation of other presenters as the initial speculation involved presenters known to be straight as well as those who are gay.

I don't feel sorry for the presenter. He behaved unethically if not illegally. However, The Sun is not doing this because it is concerned about sexual exploitation.

bellac11 · 11/07/2023 08:48

RebelR · 11/07/2023 08:41

The denial from the young person is because that's exactly what grooming is. The YP thinks they did everything of their own free will, this man hasn't exploited them, they're their friend/boyfriend, they helped them out when they needed money. He understands them like their parents couldn't possibly...

Possibly there are issues within the family that made them vulnerable to grooming too, but that doesn't mean they weren't groomed.

I'd also be interested to know how the YP comes to have a lawyer.

Wheres the evidence of grooming?

The young person could have a myriad of different customers, not just this one.

The young person might be involved in selling and dealing, or nothing at all, there may be very good reasons (in their head) for not wanting the authorities involved

Or they might just feel ok about it and want it to carry on

The point is, it is their choice and their instruction that needs to be taken account if, you cant make decisions on someone elses behalf if they have capacity, no matter how much you might want to

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:50

nettie434 · 11/07/2023 08:47

I find the whole business really strange. Why go to The Sun, rather than the police, if you are concerned about your child? Have the parents received any money from The Sun? The Sun must have realised that there would be speculation about the identity of the presenter. By accompanying their original report with a rear head and shoulders stock image of a young man, The Sun must have known the assumption would be that the young person was male. At the same time, by not confirming the young person's sex, they have caused maximum disruption to the reputation of other presenters as the initial speculation involved presenters known to be straight as well as those who are gay.

I don't feel sorry for the presenter. He behaved unethically if not illegally. However, The Sun is not doing this because it is concerned about sexual exploitation.

They did go to the police, they put out a statement confirming it, the police said no crime, they also went to thr bbc. Now it’s got publicity both the police and the bbc have stepped up

RebelR · 11/07/2023 08:50

bellac11 · 11/07/2023 08:48

Wheres the evidence of grooming?

The young person could have a myriad of different customers, not just this one.

The young person might be involved in selling and dealing, or nothing at all, there may be very good reasons (in their head) for not wanting the authorities involved

Or they might just feel ok about it and want it to carry on

The point is, it is their choice and their instruction that needs to be taken account if, you cant make decisions on someone elses behalf if they have capacity, no matter how much you might want to

They were 17, they didn't have capacity to sell indecent images of themselves. That's the law.

BillyNoM8s · 11/07/2023 08:50

nettie434 · 11/07/2023 08:47

I find the whole business really strange. Why go to The Sun, rather than the police, if you are concerned about your child? Have the parents received any money from The Sun? The Sun must have realised that there would be speculation about the identity of the presenter. By accompanying their original report with a rear head and shoulders stock image of a young man, The Sun must have known the assumption would be that the young person was male. At the same time, by not confirming the young person's sex, they have caused maximum disruption to the reputation of other presenters as the initial speculation involved presenters known to be straight as well as those who are gay.

I don't feel sorry for the presenter. He behaved unethically if not illegally. However, The Sun is not doing this because it is concerned about sexual exploitation.

The stepfather said they went to the police and were told nothing illegal had taken place...

Just4ThisThread · 11/07/2023 08:51

Where has the Only Fans suggestion come from?
It’s my understanding that subscription fees and also tips for bonus/extra content are paid into a persons bank account by Only Fans and not the person paying for the content as a handling fee is charged.
Is the consensus that they met via Only Fans and then took the relationship off the platform?

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:52

Just4ThisThread · 11/07/2023 08:51

Where has the Only Fans suggestion come from?
It’s my understanding that subscription fees and also tips for bonus/extra content are paid into a persons bank account by Only Fans and not the person paying for the content as a handling fee is charged.
Is the consensus that they met via Only Fans and then took the relationship off the platform?

If they are phoning each other then it’s off platform.

pickledandpuzzled · 11/07/2023 08:53

I think it's clear that there's no obvious illegal behaviour.

So BBC has to decide where their 'bringing the company into disrepute' begins and ends.

I imagine the reason they are struggling with it is that it's accepted, normal behaviour among men.

Sleazy as hell. Like many men. This has become normalised. Are they going to fire all the employees that pay for porn?

Why is paying for porn worse than free porn, where a man has enough money to pay for it?

What has he actually done wrong?

Please don't misunderstand me, it's disgusting. But it's currently accepted.

burnoutbabe · 11/07/2023 08:53

If they are 17 and sent indecent pictures, they have committed a crime.

Sane as any young person who sends sex pics, even if if themselves.

I assume it's an only fans things, and the youth has many customers. So tawdry but not illegal and the presenter should just be allowed to retire quietly on normal pension terms.

Madamecholetsbonnet · 11/07/2023 08:54

My feeling is that even if the presenter is off the hook legally, there will be enough evidence for BBC to justify sacking him for bringing his employer into disrepute.

The young person’s idea of “nothing inappropriate” is likely rather different from that of the average licence fee payer.

Whatonearth2021 · 11/07/2023 08:54

BillyNoM8s · 11/07/2023 08:50

The stepfather said they went to the police and were told nothing illegal had taken place...

If it’s true that the parents have proof that images were transferred when the young person was 17 then why would the police say that no crime had taken place?

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:54

I think it's clear that there's no obvious illegal behaviour

really, you need to tell the met asap, as they aren’t so sure.

Efacsen · 11/07/2023 08:54

Just4ThisThread · 11/07/2023 08:51

Where has the Only Fans suggestion come from?
It’s my understanding that subscription fees and also tips for bonus/extra content are paid into a persons bank account by Only Fans and not the person paying for the content as a handling fee is charged.
Is the consensus that they met via Only Fans and then took the relationship off the platform?

Only fans is speculation - like so much else in this story

Juanmartinez · 11/07/2023 08:54

I think people are just assuming it's OF , if the mother has seen the bank statements with the name of the payer , then I don't think the money has come via OF .

Iwasafool · 11/07/2023 08:55

LadyEloise1 · 11/07/2023 08:30

@Iwasafool replied to me

"It isn't illegal to give money away.
Even to a 17 year old."

No, but surely one would have to question why in the circumstances at the moment.

If the young person has assured the solicitors that they were gifts then why would they refuse to act for them?

PomRuns · 11/07/2023 08:56

Winchester100 · 11/07/2023 07:32

But if nothing illegal took place, and the parents went to a tabloid and ruined the guy’s life…what the hell?

If the young guy was on ‘Only Fans’ and selling content to whoever would buy it - distasteful but not illegal. Would the parents have gone after the person/people viewing that content had they not been famous? I doubt it. They had no power to go to anyone paying for OF content and tell them
to stop. We are talking about their adult ‘child.’

I think if the young person sticks to his story, the parents and The Sun are in the shit.

I don’t personally care what people get up to in their private lives providing it’s not illegal. Working for the BBC does not make you public property. I’d like to see this person back in his job tbh, I think he’s good at it and I prefer him to any alternatives.

Absolutely agree with this.

finewelshcheese · 11/07/2023 08:57

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 11/07/2023 07:15

Well there’s photos all over Twitter with the presenter with his bum on display , trousers round his ankles. So unless it’s photoshop I’m assuming his name is pretty much out….just not in main stream media.

Police aren’t tak8ng action. I’d imagine the bbc will pay him off and officially he will “retire”.

Don't think for a minute that photo is genuine (I'm not saying it's not him that's involved)

Tanith · 11/07/2023 08:58

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:47

The police are involved and put out a statement saying they are now assessing to see which course of action to take

They haven’t said what they’re investigating or what line they’re taking.

Juanmartinez · 11/07/2023 08:59

If this is all made up, why would the mother target this particular person ?

NotTerfNorCis · 11/07/2023 09:00

What I don't get is the accused presenter is hetero, married with kids.

Well I guess he's bi - but it all seems odd.

Snugglemonkey · 11/07/2023 09:01

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:42

What an aappalling post. The mother and father have received no money and are disgusted by his actions, the BBC’s and want the money to stop as this kid is a crack addict. I’d do the same and more, I’d be out there with a fucking placard.

It is my opinion that going to the press with details of your child's private life, against their will is atrocious. I don't see anything appalling about it. How does this benefit their child? I don't care if they did not get paid, they have violated their child's right to privacy. Going to the BBC is one thing, going to the bloody sun, quite another.

NoraBattysCurlers · 11/07/2023 09:01

Thearseyone · 11/07/2023 08:47

The police are involved and put out a statement saying they are now assessing to see which course of action to take

In that statement, the police have confirmed that "there is no investigation at this time.”

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