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How does the BBC get out of the presenter mess?

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mids2019 · 11/07/2023 07:13

Seriously how does the BBC now go forward and what can be the conclusion to this story? The story could run for some time with on going speculation about the presenter and eventually in my opinion a name will drop.

Can there therefore be any sort of fair investigation because I think there may be too much aspirational damage now for a career to be as ed. It seems the knives the BBC sit on this the more scrutiny there is and they desperately need a conclusion?

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BillyNoM8s · 11/07/2023 14:48

Sweetashunni · 11/07/2023 14:39

How did he abuse his power specifically? I’m not aware he used his job in direct relation to this episode.

No one is aware of anything. There's just wild speculation everywhere. It's insane.

I absolutely think people need to be held accountable for illegal acts; and also understand that people can lose their jobs if they tarnish the reputation of their employer; but this person is under trial by media before the facts have been established, investigated and shared. There's been a small snippet of information from the parents, with no context and against the wishes of the supposed "victim".

At 20, I would've been absolutely outraged if my parents had done this to me - regardless of my personal circumstances. How will this help the "child"?

This whole debacle has made me truly hope I never end up in front of a jury. The general public are completely incompetent!

RatatouilleAndFeta · 11/07/2023 14:54

I think he's done it and now he's being blackmailed.
I can't say I have much sympathy tbh.
His poor family.

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 14:55

RatatouilleAndFeta · 11/07/2023 14:54

I think he's done it and now he's being blackmailed.
I can't say I have much sympathy tbh.
His poor family.

What facts are you basing that conclusion on?

Efacsen · 11/07/2023 14:59

Police have issued a new statement

There remains no police investigation at this time

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 11/07/2023 15:00

marshamarshmallow · 11/07/2023 14:42

Am at a loss why the BBC is being dragged into this. Yes, the presenter is in their employ, but this isn't like Schofield, the runner and This Morning, this is something that has taken place with a person outside of the Beeb.

We have very little fact at hand. If the presenter was paying this person via Only Fans, then how is this wrong? The onus is on Only Fans to verify their performers are over 18, not those whom are paying for content. Which the presenter was.

I also find it rather off that instead of going to the police, the mother went to the press. Surely if she was so concerned, the police would be her first port of call.

This is all trial by social media, with very little proof as yet. If the Sun are so sure who it is, why aren't they publishing the name? It will be because they don't actually have proof. Instead, the insinuate and intone. But without solid and concrete proof, they cannot name the presenter.

I know many will disagree, but it's a non-story, one blown out of all proportion by The Sun. The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch who has been gunning for the BBC for years. This is just another facet of their assault. Giving the state of the country, it's also proving a great distraction in the press, the Government must be thrilled.

Totally true.

And for anyone to kid themselves that The Sun genuinely cares about moral rights and wrongs and is a champion of the underdog is incredibly naive. All the rag wants is a titillating sensationalist story with a preferably sexual angle as it appeals to the mentality of its general demographic.

If the BBC presenter was funding a crack addict’s habit with no sexual strings attached, it would be a complete non story for The Sun because, despite their apparent outrage, they wouldn’t be interested in just another article about drugs. It’s the sordid slant that reels them in.

Of all the media outlets the parents could have chosen, to me The Sun was possibly the worst - unless the decision was deliberately calculating by them knowing the salacious titbit would be of interest.

Nesbi · 11/07/2023 15:01

I think the current age of the young person is really important.

These are allegedly the intimate details of their life being revealed by a third party.

Even if the third party is that persons parents, they are an adult now and have a right to privacy. The parent was placing the BBC in a difficult situation, just making notes of a phone call or receiving emails was putting sensitive data into the BBCs possession without the data subject’s permission.

I think the BBC would be very wary of
receiving that sort of information if it wasn’t coming from the young person themselves, and with clear permission from them as to what the BBC could do with that data and who they could share it with. we know however that they absolutely didn’t want the BBC to have this information.

Plbrookes · 11/07/2023 15:11

savory · 11/07/2023 14:26

The attacks on the BBC are increasing - the Telegraph feels free to give Auntie a kicking in their latest headline. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/11/bbc-salary-list-huw-edwards-pay-rise-gary-lineker-zoe-ball/

How is that headline 'giving Auntie a kicking'? It's an entirely factual description of pay for the top presenters?

Maddy70 · 11/07/2023 15:16

Efacsen · 11/07/2023 14:59

Police have issued a new statement

There remains no police investigation at this time

This is very telling.

It's just the scum paper doing what they do.

Superfood · 11/07/2023 15:17

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 11/07/2023 15:00

Totally true.

And for anyone to kid themselves that The Sun genuinely cares about moral rights and wrongs and is a champion of the underdog is incredibly naive. All the rag wants is a titillating sensationalist story with a preferably sexual angle as it appeals to the mentality of its general demographic.

If the BBC presenter was funding a crack addict’s habit with no sexual strings attached, it would be a complete non story for The Sun because, despite their apparent outrage, they wouldn’t be interested in just another article about drugs. It’s the sordid slant that reels them in.

Of all the media outlets the parents could have chosen, to me The Sun was possibly the worst - unless the decision was deliberately calculating by them knowing the salacious titbit would be of interest.

And for anyone to kid themselves that The Sun genuinely cares about moral rights and wrongs and is a champion of the underdog is incredibly naive. All the rag wants is a titillating sensationalist story with a preferably sexual angle as it appeals to the mentality of its general demographic.

no one thinks the Sun cares about right and wrong or championing the underdog. That doesn't make the story untrue, nor ok.

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 15:17

Plbrookes · 11/07/2023 15:11

How is that headline 'giving Auntie a kicking'? It's an entirely factual description of pay for the top presenters?

It’s not what you say, it’s the way that you say it.

WeWereInParis · 11/07/2023 15:18

beguilingeyes · 11/07/2023 14:22

Do we know if any of this is true yet? The Sun isn't exactly known for its probity and Murdoch (and the Tories) hate the BBC.
It's certainly knocked everything else off the news (Boris/George).

The young person's statement said nothing illegal or inappropriate happened, it didn't say "I've never had any contact with this person and I don't know why my batshit parents have fabricated the whole thing"

So I'm assuming there is an element of truth.

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 15:19

WeWereInParis · 11/07/2023 15:18

The young person's statement said nothing illegal or inappropriate happened, it didn't say "I've never had any contact with this person and I don't know why my batshit parents have fabricated the whole thing"

So I'm assuming there is an element of truth.

It said it was rubbish. That’s pretty unequivocal.

IClaudine · 11/07/2023 15:27

Efacsen · 11/07/2023 14:59

Police have issued a new statement

There remains no police investigation at this time

Do you have a link Efacsen, please? I can't see it on the BBC website.

IClaudine · 11/07/2023 15:29

IClaudine · 11/07/2023 15:27

Do you have a link Efacsen, please? I can't see it on the BBC website.

Oh, sorry. Just found it.

"We have asked the BBC to pause its own investigation while we continue our assessment to establish whether there is evidence of a criminal offence being committed.
"The assessment is being led by detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command and follows a virtual meeting with representatives from the BBC on the morning of Monday, 10 July.
"There remains no police investigation at this time."

Soothingaftersun · 11/07/2023 15:29

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 15:19

It said it was rubbish. That’s pretty unequivocal.

I agree with @WeWereInParis . It said nothing illegal or inappropriate happened which suggests something did happen

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 15:30

Soothingaftersun · 11/07/2023 15:29

I agree with @WeWereInParis . It said nothing illegal or inappropriate happened which suggests something did happen

It also said it was rubbish. 🤷‍♀️

Caramelatt · 11/07/2023 15:33

Just read a poster said only fans have a policy of performers being above 18, in that case, presenter did nothing illegal. How was he supposed to know the performer is 17 not 18 yet.

Of course it is morally wrong but he did nothing warranting this outrage on twitter. Nice ploy by the right wing paper to divert attention from whatsapp messages of the most moral political leader of our times, Mr. Boris Johnson

Caramelatt · 11/07/2023 15:36

WeWereInParis · 11/07/2023 15:18

The young person's statement said nothing illegal or inappropriate happened, it didn't say "I've never had any contact with this person and I don't know why my batshit parents have fabricated the whole thing"

So I'm assuming there is an element of truth.

But even if it happened, at the worst it is morally wrong, presenter didn't know the age was 17 if website claims its performers are above 18. Looks like it was to distract from Boris and George, who are as usual getting away.

Juanmartinez · 11/07/2023 15:37

@Caramelatt no one knows if OF is involved , just speculation.

the80sweregreat · 11/07/2023 15:38

I would believe that this person involved didn't know the teenager wasn't 18 at the time they were only 17 snd bought those pics.
Not condoning their actions, but if I went onto a site that stated ' adults only , over 18' I would assume that everyone was , however naive that sounds ( plus I've never been on these sites , so haven't a clue how it works)
I didn't even go into pubs or clubs under age in the days when people could get away with that, but I knew plenty who did or had fake ID.
Apparently that is easy to get too if you know the right people and have spare money

Soothingaftersun · 11/07/2023 15:57

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 15:30

It also said it was rubbish. 🤷‍♀️

Has the young person's statement caused more confusion? If they truly wanted the shut this down following on from 'it is rubbish' they could have said 'I don't know X, I have not met him or had any contact with him, and he has never paid me for sex photos' . Instead they chose to say 'nothing illegal or inappropriate happened' I just find this odd.

StormShadow · 11/07/2023 16:03

Gymnopedie · 11/07/2023 14:20

I understand that if your child is a crack addict you're going to want to do anything you can to stop them. But something that bothers me about going to the Sun and making it so very public is did the parents have the right to do that?

The young person concerned is now 20 and therefore in law an adult. They have made him the centre of the current biggest news story in the UK. If they didn't do this with his permission then they have let him down just as much as anyone else.

They've also potentially opened a door for him to make a huge amount of money. If he is outed or outs himself, he can certainly sell his story. And buy abundant crack with the proceeds. At best, what the parents have done is desperately unwise. Possible emphasis on the desperate.

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 16:05

Soothingaftersun · 11/07/2023 15:57

Has the young person's statement caused more confusion? If they truly wanted the shut this down following on from 'it is rubbish' they could have said 'I don't know X, I have not met him or had any contact with him, and he has never paid me for sex photos' . Instead they chose to say 'nothing illegal or inappropriate happened' I just find this odd.

The letter was written by Child and Child on behalf of their client. I imagine as a top flight firm of lawyers they know what they’re doing. I can’t see what part of “ the allegation is rubbish” could possibly be confusing personally.

Juanmartinez · 11/07/2023 16:06

@Soothingaftersun I agree, if they really wanted to stamp this out and if it really is rubbish then they could have added more to confirm. So maybe something did happen but it wasn't illegal and while it may be unsavoury, as a pp said , we can't stop people from doing legal stuff on the grounds of morality.

toomuchlaundry · 11/07/2023 16:08

There appears to be another allegation from another young person

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