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Can't Park on my own Drive!!

237 replies

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 07/07/2023 17:48

Let me set the scene, we are a 2 car family, car parking on the street is awful. One side of the road is mainly double yellow lines and most houses have 2 or 3 cars.
We are terraced houses but each have a front driveway and garden.
Half our driveway has a dropped kerb so one car can easily get on the drive.
The other car (mine) can also fit in the front, but I use rubber ramps to get up the kerb. Have done this for 20 years .
Today I had a letter from the council telling me I should not park on my own drive as I am damaging the kerb every time I go over it, and the ramps cannot be used as they might harm another vehicle.
I'm fuming!

OP posts:
Tannedandfake · 08/07/2023 22:36

Marmite27 · 07/07/2023 17:51

But you don’t have a dropped kerb there, so shouldn’t be driving over it?

This! What on earth are you fuming about?!

housekermit · 08/07/2023 22:38

johnd2 · 08/07/2023 22:22

I thought you said it on purpose to spice up the thread a bit!😂could do with a bit of spelling argument to liven things up

How good would it have been if there was a typo in your post 😂

Sn1859 · 08/07/2023 22:40

Takoneko · 08/07/2023 21:20

Are you in the US? In U.K. English it is kerb. Curb is the American spelling.

Did it not occur to you that you must have spelled it wrong when everyone in the thread was spelling it ‘kerb’? It’s quite unusual for that many people to get the same word wrong at the same time

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Sn1859 · 08/07/2023 22:40

Sn1859 · 08/07/2023 22:40

Did it not occur to you that you must have spelled it wrong when everyone in the thread was spelling it ‘kerb’? It’s quite unusual for that many people to get the same word wrong at the same time

Sorry @Takoneko , I quoted the wrong comment!

sleepwouldbenice · 08/07/2023 22:41

IhearyouClemFandango · 08/07/2023 22:30

How can people still park on the road if you are parked on the front bit? Surely blocking you in?

Exactly the way the OP is using the non dropped kerb is probably stopping others parking on that part of the highway
It's others who should be fuming at them

noodlebugz · 08/07/2023 22:47

From your replies etc it all sounds like a money making scheme from a useless council. £1400 - £1700 per house - Say they’ve written to 50 homeowners on the street. If they all get rid of their ramps and drop the kerb £80,000 for the council and I doubt it would cost them / their contractors half of that to do the work? 🤔

jannier · 08/07/2023 23:40

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 07/07/2023 18:05

I'm fuming because the council say I'm damaging the kerb. My argument is the roads in our area are like third world roads, full of huge pot holes. Drains overflow as they're not cleaned. There are weeds growing in the gutters. The pot holes cause far more damage to cars than I cause to the kerb.
We have a driveway and rest of the front garden is tarmacadam. Half the garden has a dropped kerb. I can get on the driveway via the dropped kerb if I get there before my DH if not I use the ramps.

Why doesn't your oh get on the other section using the dropped kerb?
So your argument is the roads in general are shit so why should it matter if I make more damage?

jannier · 08/07/2023 23:57

Rhondaa · 07/07/2023 20:40

How utterly ridiculous, the council must be full of jobsworths.

Using ramps to access a private parking area cannot possible damage pavements. Look at all the cars that are parked actually on pavements blocking the way for parents with pushchairs and disabled people in wheelchairs. The peevish council should focus their silly attention on these inconsiderate parkers damaging precious pavements.

Parking on pavements is illegal unless there are signs allowing it normally to make a road wide enough for emergency vehicles. They reinforce the pavement when it needs re doing.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 09/07/2023 00:14

I'm not parking on the pavement!
Yes DH uses the dropped KERB🫣 to get on the drive. I could also use it if I get home before him. If not I have used ramps which are now gone!!
If I parked on my drive on the illegal bit, there is still space outside my house on the street for another vehicle to park without blocking me in. If we had 3 cars, which we don't, 2 could fit on the drive (1 illegally) and 1 could fit on the street outside the house.
The only reason I hardly ever park on the street is because I felt bad having a big garden to park on and using the street that others could use, thinking they would say why doesn't she park in her drive instead of wasting a space on the street.
I'm not selfish.
Yay @MrsTwiggy another person like me who had no clue about this highway law🙋‍♀️

OP posts:
T1Dmama · 09/07/2023 02:05

Can you not drive up dropped curb and then pull onto the other side leaving the space in-front of drop curb free

Billben · 09/07/2023 07:37

rest of the front garden is tarmacadam

And you are complaining that the drains on your road are overflowing? You are part of the problem OP. Maybe if you ripped that tarmac up, there would be somewhere for the rainfall to soak in 🙄

And yes, pay for a dropped kerb.

Billben · 09/07/2023 07:43

How can people still park on the road if you are parked on the front bit? Surely blocking you in?

If I’m struggling to park somewhere and I see a house with parked cars on the “drive” but no dropped kerb, or half a dropped kerb, I will definitely be parking there. Whether I am blocking them in or not. If you have to drive over a kerb, you don’t have a driveway, so shouldn’t be parking there, end of.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 09/07/2023 07:58

@Billben if you read the comments I said I have paperwork for the drive, it has a soakaway underneath and proper drainage grids along the front of the property. I also said I used the word tarmac incorrectly, it's more of a bonded stone, looks like tarmac tho.
And yes I understand cars can park anywhere where there is no dropped kerb. That's not my argument.
I was just naively trying to keep my car off the busy street!

OP posts:
PuzzledObserver · 09/07/2023 08:43

Sn1859 · 08/07/2023 22:40

Did it not occur to you that you must have spelled it wrong when everyone in the thread was spelling it ‘kerb’? It’s quite unusual for that many people to get the same word wrong at the same time

Sadly not the case. There are threads where many people spell a given word wrong, or use a misheard version of a phrase.

Sometimes they get upset when you point out their error.

HunterHearstHelmsley · 09/07/2023 10:08

jannier · 08/07/2023 23:57

Parking on pavements is illegal unless there are signs allowing it normally to make a road wide enough for emergency vehicles. They reinforce the pavement when it needs re doing.

No, it's not.

I'm quoting from the RAC website for ease but it's the same in the highway code etc.

"Parking on the pavement is not illegal outside of London. You can, however, still get a fine for doing so in some instances, which makes the law quite a grey area.

Since 1974, Highway Code rule 244 has stated that drivers "MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it."
The key things to note here are the words must not and should not.In London, you ^must not park on the pavement, the must indicating there is legislation behind this rule and you could receive a fine for breaking it.However, outside of the capital or “elsewhere”, the Highway Code states drivers should not^ park on the pavement, meaning it is advisory and not, therefore, backed up by any legislation."

HunterHearstHelmsley · 09/07/2023 10:11

HunterHearstHelmsley · 09/07/2023 10:08

No, it's not.

I'm quoting from the RAC website for ease but it's the same in the highway code etc.

"Parking on the pavement is not illegal outside of London. You can, however, still get a fine for doing so in some instances, which makes the law quite a grey area.

Since 1974, Highway Code rule 244 has stated that drivers "MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it."
The key things to note here are the words must not and should not.In London, you ^must not park on the pavement, the must indicating there is legislation behind this rule and you could receive a fine for breaking it.However, outside of the capital or “elsewhere”, the Highway Code states drivers should not^ park on the pavement, meaning it is advisory and not, therefore, backed up by any legislation."

Urgh, formatting went wrong. Hopefully this is easier to read!
Parking on the pavement is not illegal outside of London. You can, however, still get a fine for doing so in some instances, which makes the law quite a grey area. Since 1974, Highway Code rule 244 has stated that drivers "MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it."The key things to note here are the words must not and should not.In London, you must not park on the pavement, the must indicating there is legislation behind this rule and you could receive a fine for breaking it.However, outside of the capital or “elsewhere”, the Highway Code states drivers should not park on the pavement, meaning it is advisory and not, therefore, backed up by any legislation.

gogomoto · 09/07/2023 10:16

Legally they are correct, you can pay the appropriate fee to extend the dropped kerb and solve the problem,

Againstmachine · 09/07/2023 10:18

HunterHearstHelmsley · 09/07/2023 10:11

Urgh, formatting went wrong. Hopefully this is easier to read!
Parking on the pavement is not illegal outside of London. You can, however, still get a fine for doing so in some instances, which makes the law quite a grey area. Since 1974, Highway Code rule 244 has stated that drivers "MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it."The key things to note here are the words must not and should not.In London, you must not park on the pavement, the must indicating there is legislation behind this rule and you could receive a fine for breaking it.However, outside of the capital or “elsewhere”, the Highway Code states drivers should not park on the pavement, meaning it is advisory and not, therefore, backed up by any legislation.

It is very grey as "You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency."

This means unless you are magically floating your car onto parking on the pavement, whilst the act of parking isn't illegal, the act of getting it on the pavement is.

The law is a ass in reality.

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 09/07/2023 11:59

Exactly! Whether you have dropped kerb or not, you still have to drive on the pavement to gain access to your property!

OP posts:
Againstmachine · 09/07/2023 12:16

TwinkleTwinkleLittleCat · 09/07/2023 11:59

Exactly! Whether you have dropped kerb or not, you still have to drive on the pavement to gain access to your property!

Yes but the pavement isn't suited to cars driving over it, unless it has a dropped kerb no own should be driving on any pavement.

And you haven't got a legal access so stop moaning and pay for a dropped kerb or not.

SoupDragon · 09/07/2023 12:21

Againstmachine · 09/07/2023 10:18

It is very grey as "You MUST NOT drive on or over a pavement, footpath or bridleway except to gain lawful access to property, or in the case of an emergency."

This means unless you are magically floating your car onto parking on the pavement, whilst the act of parking isn't illegal, the act of getting it on the pavement is.

The law is a ass in reality.

It's not a grey area at all. If there is a dropped kerb you have "lawful access" if there is no dropped kerb you don't.

CaptainSeven · 09/07/2023 12:30

If you have a dropped kerb the pavement associated with that dropped kerb has been reinforced to allow vehicles over it.

That's partly why dropped kerbs are expensive and important.

Againstmachine · 09/07/2023 12:32

SoupDragon · 09/07/2023 12:21

It's not a grey area at all. If there is a dropped kerb you have "lawful access" if there is no dropped kerb you don't.

This was a reply about parking on the pavement not about driving over the kerb, please read the post I was replying too.

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/07/2023 12:35

Sn1859 · 08/07/2023 22:40

Did it not occur to you that you must have spelled it wrong when everyone in the thread was spelling it ‘kerb’? It’s quite unusual for that many people to get the same word wrong at the same time

No it isn't. The majority of people on here spell licence (the noun) license and lose loose.

Fightyouforthatpie · 09/07/2023 12:37

PuzzledObserver · 09/07/2023 08:43

Sadly not the case. There are threads where many people spell a given word wrong, or use a misheard version of a phrase.

Sometimes they get upset when you point out their error.

Usually it ends up in someone getting called a cunt for even mentioning a SPAG error.