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Would you/ do you watch things when you know it has a known paedo in it?

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Soubriquet · 03/07/2023 18:46

I love Glee. Always have. I’ve just binged watched it again in a week with dh grumbling about it. He doesn’t think I should watch it anymore because of Mark Salling. I don’t see it like that. I can enjoy the character of Noah, without liking the person itself.

I mean…yeah he fucked up but he’s dead now. Can’t really do much about that

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VillageLite · 04/07/2023 09:28

I have no problem with separating the person from their art.

Otherwise what are we saying? That if you are convicted of a crime, everything you have ever done, created, associated with is irrevocably tainted?

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stephaniezanoni · 04/07/2023 10:43

I know he was never convicted but like others have said I think it's clear Micheal Jackson abused children so I can't listen to him. Shame because it's good music but it doesn't sit right with me to listen to him.

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BarelyLiterate · 04/07/2023 20:12

I’m aware that Jackson was acquitted, but anyone who followed it knows that the trial
was politicised, the verdict was a travesty and Michael Jackson was a serial predatory paedophile.

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Jogonmagpies · 04/07/2023 20:15

honeynutcornfllakes · 03/07/2023 19:05

I was a massive Lostprophets fan as a teen. I wish I could still enjoy the music but I just can't knowing what he was doing while he was writing and performing.

He ruined that work for his band mates too.

Absolute scum bag.

Lost prophets were one of my favourites. But I refuse to listen to them and have a sex offender financially benefit from it.

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Random789 · 03/07/2023 19:33

Idon't hav a problem at all in separating an offending person from their creative product. People are more than one thing.What cause is served by erecting a cordon sanitaire around a person who has done terrible things?
In some specific circumstances you might do it to avoid them profiting from your consumption of whatever artwork they have participated in creating. But as a general principal? What would be the value of that?

This is generally my take on it.

I have no desire to re watch Glee, but not because of Mark Salling. I just feel the show went downhill fast after the first couple of seasons. But I would watch it, no problem.

I do listen to Lost Prophets. I listen to MJ. I might watch a Woody Allen movie, Might rewatch house of Cards...

So many people have proved to be absolute terrible humans... But their art holds up.
I dont want to deprive myself of that, while I wouldnt support the people themselves, and hope they suffer the consequences of what theyve done.

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Giggorata · 04/07/2023 20:39

I too have no problem separating people's art from their reprehensible personalities and proclivities.
It seems to me that this is the heavy end of cancel culture.

At the other end of the spectrum are people whose opinions mean they get excluded from public discourse, work and now, bank accounts.
I'm quite sure that I would have thoroughly disagreed with Wagner on a lot of things, hated the womanising Picasso, etc.

And I can still appreciate the Thick of It and Eric Gill's art, Byron's poems and that bastard Woody Allen's films, and so forth, whilst still thinking of them as despicable humans

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BeverleyMacker · 04/07/2023 20:51

Its tainted one of my favourite movies(Ferris Bueller) knowing that the guy who played Mr Roony was found to be dodgy,and Steptoe and Son :( Can't listen to MJ anymore either.

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Soubriquet · 05/07/2023 08:33

It’s interesting how some people can separate them, and some can’t.

I do think it’s unfair to the rest of the band/cast etc to miss out on their royalties because of one person.

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569104160N · 05/07/2023 10:33

Soubriquet · 05/07/2023 08:33

It’s interesting how some people can separate them, and some can’t.

I do think it’s unfair to the rest of the band/cast etc to miss out on their royalties because of one person.

I can't separate the artist from the crime. Also can't listen to Micheal Jackson. It isn't fair on the other members of the bands that they miss out on royalties and I should imagine future work. I just googled and apparently Ian Watkins has made £100k in royalties since he was put prison, meaning he won't struggle financially at all when he released. Doesn't seem fair, perhaps better to change the law and give his royalties to the victims or charity.

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Flickersy · 05/07/2023 10:57

I think it's a personal choice and neither is wrong.

If you don't want to listen to certain bands / watch certain TV shows then that's your right. But if you do choose to do so it doesn't make you guilty by association or complicit.

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CatsSnore · 05/07/2023 11:07

I point blank refuse to listen to Chris Brown. I can't believe he still gets played on the radio!

R Kelly was hard. I don't, and the odd time I've tried it's felt wrong.

Don't listen to lost prophets.

I just get the ick about it all now. I don't want to listen to someone who has done those things.

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SOBplus · 05/07/2023 11:21

I refuse to watch/listen to anything with a certainly evil person involved, though not all of those protested are certain to be evil but those without doubt, absolutely not - anything with Billy Zane springs to mind!

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beguilingeyes · 05/07/2023 11:23

God, I used to love Kevin Spacey. Such a fabulous actor. What a mess that has turned into.

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Kokeshi123 · 05/07/2023 11:26

Yes.

Apart from anything else, watching or looking at enjoyable content, knowing that the person who produced it is/was a complete rat, is a good way of reminding yourself that "just because the picture is lovely or the movie is exciting or the music stirs me does NOT necessarily mean that the person who created it is nice or had good intentions."

It's actually a way of inoculating yourself against believing in propaganda, slick documentaries with ulterior motives, misleading advertisements and election ads etc.

Kids also need to go through these experiences, or they will never learn how to be properly skeptical of plausible-sounding content created by unpleasant people.

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menope · 05/07/2023 11:29

Lostprophets…yeah that went badly didn’t it. I still listen to one song…. It’s a guilty pleasure.

Do you know what that guy did? I think it's sick you can call it a guilty pleasure, I can almost hear your tinkly laugh. It's one thing when it's speculation and not much detail, I can see how people can ignorantly put that aside with their head in the sand, but the Lost Prophets situation was fucking disgusting, it's widely reported on, how on Earth can you get ANY pleasure from him?

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Soubriquet · 05/07/2023 11:29

menope · 05/07/2023 11:29

Lostprophets…yeah that went badly didn’t it. I still listen to one song…. It’s a guilty pleasure.

Do you know what that guy did? I think it's sick you can call it a guilty pleasure, I can almost hear your tinkly laugh. It's one thing when it's speculation and not much detail, I can see how people can ignorantly put that aside with their head in the sand, but the Lost Prophets situation was fucking disgusting, it's widely reported on, how on Earth can you get ANY pleasure from him?

No laughing, tinkly or otherwise here. I just genuinely like that ONE song

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menope · 05/07/2023 11:30

I point blank refuse to listen to Chris Brown. I can't believe he still gets played on the radio!

OMG me too it INFURIATES me when his music comes on the Alexa music quizzes I play.

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2023 11:31

beguilingeyes · 05/07/2023 11:23

God, I used to love Kevin Spacey. Such a fabulous actor. What a mess that has turned into.

I'm trying to think if any of his well-known roles weren't morally dubious characters... maybe not quite as much acting required as one might wish.

It's someone like Rolf Harris who is now a no-no for me, because his persona was wholesome, child-friendly light entertainment.

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menope · 05/07/2023 11:32

@Soubriquet oh well if it's just ONE song, let's just over look the BABIES he RAPED. How can you not think of that when you listen to it?

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ejbaxa · 05/07/2023 11:34

It’s difficult. A lot of people would have put in a lot of hard work for a series or film or whatever. It seems unfair to decent and honest people that their work is trashed by the behaviour of one person. I mean unless the paedo is front and centre of every episode/scene - then I can see it would be ruined. So I’m on the fence really.

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BallantyneValentine · 05/07/2023 11:41

I am a victim of CSA so it is very triggering for me. Michael Jackson particularly I find difficult because I believe that those two men were abused by him but equally I absolutely love his music because the man was an absolute genius. I think if he were still alive I would really struggle seeing him knowing what I now believe about him but I can listen to it because he is dead. The thing about Michael Jackson as well though you can quite clearly see where the extensive damage to his personality developed as he was growing up. He is both a victim and a perpetrator of abuse.

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amusedbush · 05/07/2023 11:43

Like PPs, I was a big Lostprophets fan as a teenager. I loved their music and saw them play at the Corn Exchange in Edinburgh.

I can honestly say I haven't listened to a note of their music since the truth came out about IW. I couldn't bear it and I honestly don't know how anyone can separate their music from what he did, especially considering he's the lead singer and face of every music video. How could anyone sing along with him??

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Horizabel · 05/07/2023 11:44

Giggorata · 04/07/2023 20:39

I too have no problem separating people's art from their reprehensible personalities and proclivities.
It seems to me that this is the heavy end of cancel culture.

At the other end of the spectrum are people whose opinions mean they get excluded from public discourse, work and now, bank accounts.
I'm quite sure that I would have thoroughly disagreed with Wagner on a lot of things, hated the womanising Picasso, etc.

And I can still appreciate the Thick of It and Eric Gill's art, Byron's poems and that bastard Woody Allen's films, and so forth, whilst still thinking of them as despicable humans

This, broadly. I teach English literature, and if I omitted every writer whose politics, gender politics, class politics, racism, anti-Semitism etc were personally abhorrent to me, there would be no syllabus.

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CatsSnore · 05/07/2023 11:46

So infuriating! I don't understand how he's not been cancelled. It's not like there isn't a new story out every year of how he's hurt yet another woman!

Bally, I agree about MJ being both victim and perpetrator. It's very clear to see how his childhood irrevocably damaged him. Not an excuse but a reason.

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ThePM · 05/07/2023 11:49

honeynutcornfllakes · 03/07/2023 19:05

I was a massive Lostprophets fan as a teen. I wish I could still enjoy the music but I just can't knowing what he was doing while he was writing and performing.

He ruined that work for his band mates too.

Absolute scum bag.

Agree he’s absolute trash.

The week he was sentenced I asked a woman about a tattoo on her arm- she explained it was a Lost Prophet lyric. I was speechless (very unusual for me) but I guess it was several years old at that point.

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