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Housing development behind house we're buying!

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SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 17:05

We are in the process of buying a house in a beautiful rural town, but have just found out that the land behind the garden has had planning permission granted for four bungalows, one of which is pretty much right behind our garden and would potentially overlook us, especially as they're set slightly higher than our garden. It's a fairly small bit of land, and these bungalows will be squeezed in, and their gardens will back right onto our boundary. These bungalows mean that we would have neighbours on all four sides, and would affect the privacy of our garden.

I think this is a deal-breaker for me, I don't want to live by a building site, and then when it's done there will be more neighbours to deal with, and the outlook is no longer a pretty wildflower meadow and trees, but four crappy red-brick bungalows. But my husband still thinks we should go for it... he makes the point that we are already getting it for a good price for the area, and it's rare to get a lovely, detached character property with off-street parking and a good sized garden in this town, most houses are ugly new build bungalows. He is right, I've been watching Rightmove for years, and with the price increases there isn't much in our price range. He also makes the point that because the garden is long and thin, and their boundary is next to our off-street parking, they wouldn't really overlook us anyway. But these bungalows will spoil our view out to the Welsh mountains.

Would you walk away? Or give it a try, seeing as it's such a small development. Could we try to renegotiate on price? We do love the house and the location is perfect, and over the last few years there's only been a handful of character, detached houses in this town that have come on the market within our price range. It's only a small development, but might still be 12 months of disruption, then a lifetime of dealing with potentially bothersome neighbours and decreased re-sale value. So frustrating!

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Roselilly36 · 22/06/2023 16:59

Don’t underestimate the noise and dust that will go on for months/years, and heavy traffic delivering to site. A friend of mine, bought a property close by a wood that had TPO’s etc, they were all rescinded and now it’s a housing estate.

Words · 22/06/2023 18:44

I would run like the wind.

A planned development near me is one of the reasons I am moving, and my dealings with the council on the matter have not filled me with confidence that they will have residents' interests at heart, to put it mildly.

I saw with my own eyes how genuine and sensible objections were blithely swept aside at the Planning Committee, with no proper discussion - in favour of the developers' ludicrous plan. It was a deeply demoralising insight into how broken local democracy can be, and it pains me to say it.

Yes we need more housing. But the right sort of housing in the right place.

Expect a lot of stress, dust and noise during construction ( allow up to three years I would say) then the loss of privacy permanently thereafter. I could not bear it and wouldn't consider it. I would pay money to extricate myself from it even. But we all have different thresholds of tolerance.

Words · 22/06/2023 18:51

And yes, four bungalows could become something different altogether. There will be a process to follow of course, but developers make maximum use of any leeway they can.

Watch out for example, for planning going in around bank holidays, with consultation timeframes falling over public holidays or Christmas and Easter.

I've been involved in a number of these campaigns and this has happened every time. It shortens the time available to mobilise effective opposition.

Piscesmumma1978 · 22/06/2023 19:08

The building would drive me mad. Trades people and their language and radios every day, all day.

If you have doubts, walk away.

fireflyloo · 22/06/2023 19:46

I wouldn't discount it. It sounds like a good price despite the potential building. Unless you can get somewhere else in your budget that doesn't have close neighbours I'd go for it. If you move in first you can design the garden to increase privacy by putting up fencing and large conifers.

ODFODeary · 22/06/2023 20:15

Piscesmumma1978 · 22/06/2023 19:08

The building would drive me mad. Trades people and their language and radios every day, all day.

If you have doubts, walk away.

Good God listen to yourself
Not all trades behave like yobs, how insulting

Piscesmumma1978 · 22/06/2023 20:27

ODFODeary · 22/06/2023 20:15

Good God listen to yourself
Not all trades behave like yobs, how insulting

Have you lived next to a building site or had work done? If not, do one.

I have and whilst not all are loud etc, the ones who are will drive you mad. If you can ignore it, crack on but if you like your peace and quiet it's not for you. That's not even starting on the dust that will be everywhere.

Stratocumulus · 22/06/2023 20:29

Chowtime · 21/06/2023 17:13

I'd walk away. It's probably why the sellers are selling.

This.
I would not buy.

ODFODeary · 23/06/2023 07:53

Piscesmumma1978 · 22/06/2023 20:27

Have you lived next to a building site or had work done? If not, do one.

I have and whilst not all are loud etc, the ones who are will drive you mad. If you can ignore it, crack on but if you like your peace and quiet it's not for you. That's not even starting on the dust that will be everywhere.

🙄 yes I've renovated about 8 houses , full renovations , so I know
You are being totally disrespectful and it wouldn't surprise me if they picked up on your appalling attitude and did it on purpose

Piscesmumma1978 · 23/06/2023 08:43

Pmsl 😂 Did you live in the 8 houses you renovated?!!

I'd love to know what they were like when you weren't around with your stuck up attitude 😂

ODFODeary · 23/06/2023 09:15

I lived in them all @Piscesmumma1978 because I had no choice
I'm failing to see what's so funny and why I'm stuck up, because I don't see trade as yobs ?

Piscesmumma1978 · 23/06/2023 09:21

I didn't say they were yobs, you suggested that!

ODFODeary · 23/06/2023 09:27

I'm bored of you now @Piscesmumma1978 , you implied they all used bad language which not the case , very judgemental and quite wrong
@SpeechieE I hope you enjoy your new home wherever you choose

Piscesmumma1978 · 23/06/2023 09:29

😂

Jemandthehologramsunite · 23/06/2023 09:29

Don't do it. The construction itself will be a nightmare depending on what the rules are where you live (speaking from experience)

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 23/06/2023 09:33

Virtually all the bungalows near me have either been dormered or are now built ontop of to make houses.

buy it if you like the house with houses in the back garden

NoSquirrels · 23/06/2023 09:41

Can you take a trip there and have a word in person with the neighbours? Usually in these places everyone knows everyone and their business, and they’ll be the best source of intel on who owns the site, why building hasn’t started yet 2 years into the PP and so on.

SpeechieE · 23/06/2023 09:54

Roselilly36 · 22/06/2023 16:59

Don’t underestimate the noise and dust that will go on for months/years, and heavy traffic delivering to site. A friend of mine, bought a property close by a wood that had TPO’s etc, they were all rescinded and now it’s a housing estate.

I actually think this is my biggest worry, about the beautiful ancient trees. They have TPOs on them, and they're stipulated in the planning that they must remain, but when the penalty for cutting them down is just a fine, it's not going to bother the developer... I think I'm truth that's the thing I'd be saddest about if it happened. You can't replace an ancient tree.

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SabrinaThwaite · 23/06/2023 09:54

I would look at the builder’s other projects (it is most likely going to be a smallish local company) and see what their work looks like. They may well keep them as bungalows, given that bungalows are getting rare to find and come at a premium (we spent a long time looking for bungalows in mid Wales for DM).

it's rare to get a lovely, detached character property with off-street parking and a good sized garden in this town

there isn't much in our price range.

These are the things that you need to really consider, if the kind of property you want is rare and this one ticks the boxes in your price range.

You could wait, but then you’re looking into a crystal ball with what’s going to happen to mortgage rates and house prices.

SpeechieE · 23/06/2023 09:56

NoSquirrels · 23/06/2023 09:41

Can you take a trip there and have a word in person with the neighbours? Usually in these places everyone knows everyone and their business, and they’ll be the best source of intel on who owns the site, why building hasn’t started yet 2 years into the PP and so on.

This is so true, my in-laws live in the town and are already doing the due diligence. Can't walk down the street for strangers going "oh you're the ones buying so-and-so's old house, I heard from other person you've never met who heard it from..." And so on and so forth 😂

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SpeechieE · 23/06/2023 10:00

SabrinaThwaite · 23/06/2023 09:54

I would look at the builder’s other projects (it is most likely going to be a smallish local company) and see what their work looks like. They may well keep them as bungalows, given that bungalows are getting rare to find and come at a premium (we spent a long time looking for bungalows in mid Wales for DM).

it's rare to get a lovely, detached character property with off-street parking and a good sized garden in this town

there isn't much in our price range.

These are the things that you need to really consider, if the kind of property you want is rare and this one ticks the boxes in your price range.

You could wait, but then you’re looking into a crystal ball with what’s going to happen to mortgage rates and house prices.

Yes you're completely right... We do have a plan B though, which is to stay with our in-laws, who we are lucky enough to get on with and they have space, and let the money we've made on our previous property sit for a while gaining some interest while we wait out the coming mortgage/house price storm... Who knows what we might be able to afford in 12 months time. It feels like every option is a bit of a gamble!

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SabrinaThwaite · 23/06/2023 10:15

The other plus point for this house is if it’s a probate sale then you’ve no chain at that end.

On the other hand, if you sell up and move in with the PILs then you’re in a great position as a buyer which can give you more leverage.

It’s always a gamble, one way or another.

LoveRules · 23/06/2023 10:16

I'd keep going personally you'll spend most of your time in the house or in the garden not caring much what's beyond the boundary. I speak as someone who had 6 social houses built on our boundary. Rural etc. It was different than before but honestly didn't affect our enjoyment of lovely spacious house with all the bathrooms and space/light we wanted.

Better to know now and decide to plod on than buy it and not know and regret buying if that makes sense

islandofserenity · 23/06/2023 10:17

ODFODeary · 22/06/2023 20:15

Good God listen to yourself
Not all trades behave like yobs, how insulting

Agree completely. Don't be so snobby about tradesmen!
The semi detached house next to us has had major renovations happening since November last year. they stopped for a few days at Xmas and started again on the 2nd January. Still not completed yet. The noise was horrendous November through to February ( owners live 50 miles away) but it's part of life- we've just had to get on with it! My son sat Highers in May and I've been studying for a degree at university. My son used ear plugs to try and drown out the noise. They don't work on Sundays - stopped me going mad lol!!!
I'd say go for the bungalow- views sound amazing.😀

Roselilly36 · 23/06/2023 11:16

SpeechieE · 23/06/2023 09:54

I actually think this is my biggest worry, about the beautiful ancient trees. They have TPOs on them, and they're stipulated in the planning that they must remain, but when the penalty for cutting them down is just a fine, it's not going to bother the developer... I think I'm truth that's the thing I'd be saddest about if it happened. You can't replace an ancient tree.

I totally agree, my friend was assured by her solicitor that it was an ancient woodland and the trees were protected etc. made no difference whatsoever, council gave planning permission for the new estate and all the trees were felled, so you are right to be concerned about this. Money talks sadly.