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Housing development behind house we're buying!

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SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 17:05

We are in the process of buying a house in a beautiful rural town, but have just found out that the land behind the garden has had planning permission granted for four bungalows, one of which is pretty much right behind our garden and would potentially overlook us, especially as they're set slightly higher than our garden. It's a fairly small bit of land, and these bungalows will be squeezed in, and their gardens will back right onto our boundary. These bungalows mean that we would have neighbours on all four sides, and would affect the privacy of our garden.

I think this is a deal-breaker for me, I don't want to live by a building site, and then when it's done there will be more neighbours to deal with, and the outlook is no longer a pretty wildflower meadow and trees, but four crappy red-brick bungalows. But my husband still thinks we should go for it... he makes the point that we are already getting it for a good price for the area, and it's rare to get a lovely, detached character property with off-street parking and a good sized garden in this town, most houses are ugly new build bungalows. He is right, I've been watching Rightmove for years, and with the price increases there isn't much in our price range. He also makes the point that because the garden is long and thin, and their boundary is next to our off-street parking, they wouldn't really overlook us anyway. But these bungalows will spoil our view out to the Welsh mountains.

Would you walk away? Or give it a try, seeing as it's such a small development. Could we try to renegotiate on price? We do love the house and the location is perfect, and over the last few years there's only been a handful of character, detached houses in this town that have come on the market within our price range. It's only a small development, but might still be 12 months of disruption, then a lifetime of dealing with potentially bothersome neighbours and decreased re-sale value. So frustrating!

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TenoringBehind · 21/06/2023 19:04

I would walk away.

I work in the planning dept of a local council. There is a trend round here for developers to seek planning permission for bungalows and then further down the line seek permission to change the plans to allow a two storey house or 1.5 (some of the house but not all being 2 storeys). And they’re being given permission to do so.

TenoringBehind · 21/06/2023 19:05

And it will be more than 12 months of disruption. 3 more likely in my experience.

Tiredmummaoftwo · 21/06/2023 19:07

If you're having doubts now it's just going to annoy the hell out of you when you live there.

I thought I'd get over living next to a noisy road out the front of our house and four years later it still bugs me every day!

SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 19:07

JaneyGee · 21/06/2023 18:34

Oh god, it's so depressing isn't it. I live in rural Essex, and no matter how many ghastly new estates they build, it's never enough. Sometimes, I think the south east is going to end up as one giant housing estate. If only the reverse was happening. How wonderful it would be to watch a horrible estate knocked down and replaced with a peaceful meadow or beautiful garden.

If there is one word that makes me furious, it's 'NIMBY'. My sister has worked (very, very hard) for the NHS all her life, and saved enough to buy a little house in the country. Two years later developers bought the land behind her and stuck up a horrible great estate. When she complained, her friend called her a NIMBY. I mean, what do people expect!? You work hard all your life, and all you ask in return is a bit of peace and quiet.

Oh yes, I've already been called a NIMBY by someone! 😂But I'm moving back to the area to be closer to family, moving from inner city Leeds. I thought this place would be perfect, it's not exactly 'rural', it's fairly built up around there, but this house is right on the edge of town and felt quiet and there was one aspect with a pretty view out to the mountains, then boom. Bungalow city! 😂

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SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 19:10

TenoringBehind · 21/06/2023 19:04

I would walk away.

I work in the planning dept of a local council. There is a trend round here for developers to seek planning permission for bungalows and then further down the line seek permission to change the plans to allow a two storey house or 1.5 (some of the house but not all being 2 storeys). And they’re being given permission to do so.

Oh no.. that would be so rubbish! Thank you for your insight!

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StackBlocks · 21/06/2023 19:12

My garden is overlooked, but we saw it as a positive in a way because we already knew what the situation was and that there would be no way for any more houses to be built near our house, so what we saw is what we got. It would depend for me on how it overlooked - do you have any details on if there would be any windows overlooking your garden for instance. In my case it is the side of a house that overlooks my garden with a tiny staircase window so it doesn’t affect us at all, neither does it block sunlight. Of course if you are specifically buying for a view then you might want to rethink, or ask for a discount.

HeadacheEarthquake · 21/06/2023 19:19

Not my village is it? The view we had when bought 3 years ago is now entirely taken up by new builds and more building developments Gin

ActDottie · 21/06/2023 19:26

I’d walk away as there is no way I’d cope with the noise of building work!

LIZS · 21/06/2023 19:40

The planning documents will be online so you can see how long it has been known and whether any objections were lodged. It is likely a site notice and neighbours letter about the proposal were required. There may be conditions about building hours, site management, time frames etc. The developer may have up to three years to start work , which could be minimal, which would activate the pp.

SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 19:45

LIZS · 21/06/2023 19:40

The planning documents will be online so you can see how long it has been known and whether any objections were lodged. It is likely a site notice and neighbours letter about the proposal were required. There may be conditions about building hours, site management, time frames etc. The developer may have up to three years to start work , which could be minimal, which would activate the pp.

Thanks for this, I've looked through all the planning docs and there were no neighbour objections, which seems very odd as we know a few of the neighbours would have complained! There is a document from the architects that specifically says that neighbours have not been consulted, which I thought was a bit odd! According to the planning docs they still have another year to start works, but have had full planning granted for a while, but I can't see any signs of work having started. Although according to the planning portal, one of the four dwellings has been started, but I can't see the evidence of that on the site!

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CheeseandTrees · 21/06/2023 20:37

I'd walk away if you're not up for having nearby neighbours. That's probably the reason it's a good price for the location. For what it's worth, we're buying a house with a bungalow running parallel to the very long garden. It's pretty much the length of the 90ft garden since an extension in 2018. It hasn't put us off buying it and we're planning planting that will obscure their view during summer when we're in the garden but let more light into that side of the house (east facing) during winter when the sun is lower and we won't be out much.

SpeechieE · 22/06/2023 09:45

CheeseandTrees · 21/06/2023 20:37

I'd walk away if you're not up for having nearby neighbours. That's probably the reason it's a good price for the location. For what it's worth, we're buying a house with a bungalow running parallel to the very long garden. It's pretty much the length of the 90ft garden since an extension in 2018. It hasn't put us off buying it and we're planning planting that will obscure their view during summer when we're in the garden but let more light into that side of the house (east facing) during winter when the sun is lower and we won't be out much.

That's a good tip. The garden is currently completely barren, so a blank slate and could be orchestrated to maximise privacy.

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ginghamstarfish · 22/06/2023 09:54

We've dismissed a lot of houses like this. First look at aerial view, see field behind/in front, then check local planning website. Almost always there is development planned. Sellers hope to sell quickly before any signs go up etc, but you'd hope it would come up in searches (by which time the buyer is paying a solicitor). If still interested I'd negotiate on price.

ginghamstarfish · 22/06/2023 09:56

SpeechieE · 21/06/2023 19:45

Thanks for this, I've looked through all the planning docs and there were no neighbour objections, which seems very odd as we know a few of the neighbours would have complained! There is a document from the architects that specifically says that neighbours have not been consulted, which I thought was a bit odd! According to the planning docs they still have another year to start works, but have had full planning granted for a while, but I can't see any signs of work having started. Although according to the planning portal, one of the four dwellings has been started, but I can't see the evidence of that on the site!

İn my experience neighbour objections count for very little.

dontchaknow · 22/06/2023 10:49

We enjoyed having a paddock at the bottom of our garden for a number of years, then it was sold and we now back on to a small housing estate, mostly 3 bed semis like ours. Of course we were aware when we bought that building on the paddock would probably happen some day, but that doesn't ease the pain now that it has. We very much miss the lack of peace and privacy that has resulted. I have spent a fortune on screening planting, but as our garden is small to start with, as are the gardens for the new houses, there is a limit to what can be done. The views straight into our house (we have large 60s/70s picture windows) have been blocked by the planting to some extent, but overlooking by loft extensions are another matter. And don't get me started on the light and noise pollution - think trampolines right against the boundary fences, complete with shrieking children, and patio and security lights blaring out all night long a la Colditz.
For us, and many of our neighbours, this was a forever home. Its not now.

kelsaycobbles · 22/06/2023 11:00

We can see for miles currently, but the building has started

But we couldn't afford a house this good so well located with views

The views are still close, we can walk out to the countryside in minutes , that won't change

ODFODeary · 22/06/2023 12:19

I agree with a PP that they will try to change planning to two story buildings.They'll say flood risk or something as a reason

LadyBird1973 · 22/06/2023 12:40

I'd still buy it, assuming it had been priced with the development in mind. You might not have been able to afford it if that development wasn't going to happen.
I don't think anyone should ever buy a house on the basis that there's a field behind them and a good view, as it's something you have no control over.
If the house otherwise meets your needs, then does that override the pita of having builders on site for a year?

HighEndGrifters · 22/06/2023 12:50

I would run like the wind.

HighEndGrifters · 22/06/2023 12:52

We bought our house 23 years ago with a derelict piece of land behind it, they have tried to build on it three times and three times it has been rejected by the council and when they appealed to the Home Secretary it was also rejected.

Difference being now if they got permission it would still barely take one house.

Run Forest Run.

MonumentalLentil · 22/06/2023 13:17

I would be buying detached in order to have more peace and quiet, would never buy with a field or meadow at the back for this reason, it can happen any time.

No way would I go through with it but if you don't mind the noise of several extra potentially loud familes around you...

I live in a detached house, the end of the garden has 2 backing on to it due to the way the next road is set up, so 4 neighbours, plus it makes the others closer because of the set up of fences etc. It is incredibly noisy when the children are all outside yelling and the adults are yelling over them.

Throwncrumbs · 22/06/2023 13:46

Blimey, you don’t want building work near you because of the noise, disruption etc etc but you want to move there and renovate, do you think your new neighbours will complain about your noise, disruption? You can’t have it all and yes you are a NIMBY!

SpeechieE · 22/06/2023 13:54

Throwncrumbs · 22/06/2023 13:46

Blimey, you don’t want building work near you because of the noise, disruption etc etc but you want to move there and renovate, do you think your new neighbours will complain about your noise, disruption? You can’t have it all and yes you are a NIMBY!

I can see what you're saying, but we're not being that hypocritical here...We are going to renovate the house ourselves, hopefully with as little input from noisy tradies as possible. We always apologise to the neighbours and pre-warn of any messy work and would only work at sociable hours. Also the work is mostly within the house, not external, and the closest neighbouring house is vacant. We are always super considerate of our neighbours. Our disruption would be minor, and short-lived. The development at the end is absolutely an unknown quantity, and nothing worse than yelling builders and shitty radio-1 played at ear-bursting volume for years on end while everything's covered in dust. It is not the same thing.

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boboshmobo · 22/06/2023 14:05

Just plant laurels or conifers . Like above it's probably why they are selling !

Russellandholmes · 22/06/2023 14:18

We're looking to buy at the moment.
We have discounted one house with lovely views and fields behind and next door (literally the last house in the village) as we discovered there was planning permission for 126 new homes on the fields.
I don't have a problem with new houses being built (they are desperately needed) but we are approaching retirement and looking for a peaceful forever home so this wasn't for us.
I'm not sure I'd have felt the same regarding 4 bungalows. I think I'd be glad that there would no longer be scope for a huge development.