Teachers getting the blame for everything

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Is seems to me that parenting is moving more and more towards the teachers. I really wish it was mandatory for each parent to teach a day in a school and see how it's really like. Your child is no angel. My child is no angel. There is so much to teach in a day, to provide support to children that need it, assessments, reports, meetings etc. On top of that you have parents complaining that their child has issues with friendships, school not supportive, needs a plan in place. When to do all that? I tell you when. At lunchtime. So you don't have any breaks. No wonder everyone leaves the profession. Sorry for the rant, but i see all these posts about schools being blamed for not supporting the child....i mean, a little parenting at home will go a long way. Teaching children boundaries and respect would help massively. And it might come as a suprise to some, but children do lie....

I really wish it was mandatory for each parent to teach a day in a school and see how it's really like

That’s odd given how awful you seem to think parents are.

I am a parent of 2 myself. No, i dont think parents are awful, i just think some parents( note some) need to take on more parenting.

Some parents seem to expect a lot that is above and beyond what schools are expected to provide. Even school trips are voluntary and not part of any teachers job description. Yet parents rarely thank staff for giving up their free time. I can understand frustrations regarding friendships/bullying but how can schools be expected to monitor what a child has posted on snap chat the night before 🤔

The situation with SEN/EHCP is shocking in most areas and completely down to government cuts. A child may well be entitled to a number of TA hours but of that TA can’t be recruited it can’t happen!

I really hope parents start to catch on that the demise of the education system is now following the demise of the NHS! It's become normalised not to be able to get a GP appt or languish on a waiting lost for years etc. It is becoming normal for students to sit 60 in the hall watching an Oak Academy lesson with a supervisor as there is no qualified teacher to take their class!

Don't blame parents for lack of money that government gives schools.

I do blame parents who vote conservative who then moan that schools don’t do enough for their child.

Parents could also prepare children for school by toilet training them before they start, teaching them to dress themselves etc. A lot of teaching time is lost to things like this in Reception. Don't say 'they're young they can't be expected to do it' they used to be able to (when classes were larger and no TAs) and most still can.

This too.

Yes I agree with OP. It's the same with education as it is with healthcare. Far too many people are over-reliant on the state to do everything for them. Don't bother teaching your kids how to use the loo or read/right their own name - the teachers will do that for you. Don't bother exercising, watching your weight, etc., the NHS will give you a pill for diabetes and blood pressure! We're really gone way too far towards the "nanny state". We desperately need to get back to personal responsibility, for ourselves, for our children, for our elderly relatives, etc and start to get away from the "entitlement" culture.

I feel like teachers are expected to be educators, babysitters, psychologists, social workers, and providers of school supplies, and in some cases food and clothes, all while having infinite patience and caring towards children who are often rude, spiteful, and physically agressive.

It is too much.

It does seem that primary schools are strikingly enmeshed with parents these days, and the mere idea of my parents sending a direct email to one of my secondary school teachers is flat out bizarre.

I don't think that this level of communication is helping. It clouds out genuine issues with overwrought fluff.

I used to work in the sector, and one of the pain in the arse things is that everyone has had an education, therefore everyone thinks they know how it should be done.

Agree with this. My cousin is a teacher and the number of children who start school who don't know how to hold a pencil properly or say the alphabetical or count to 10 is shocking

You see it on here with people saying teachers get a 'free holiday' when they take children on skiing trips 🤦‍♀️

I mean that's INSANE

I’d like to see more responsibility but people get up in arms.

My dc are at schools with typically motivated parents, they are invested and do a fair bit of stuff on top of school, so probably some of the better ones. It’s still a lot so I can imagine how it is with schools that don’t have that.

Also…

Putting their own coat/shoes on. Don’t send them in shoes with laces if they can’t do them up. Buy shoes with Velcro and practise putting them on and off again!
Wiping themselves after going to the toilet.
Eating with cutlery if you want them to have school dinners.
Saying please/thank you.

This is so true. And the amount of emails you get from parents for every little thing...thats a job in itself.

I wouldn't even be as concerned about those things as I am trained to teach them to count, write etc. It's the personal care they should be able to manage by themselves most of the time.

I think the issues are complex. There is a lot of fragmentation in today's society. Parents who used to be able to rely on grandparents, aunts and older siblings for help are on their own now because everyone lives miles away from each other. I do agree that parents have a responsibility, but it's a good thing, too, that schools are more involved than they used to be. In the past more people fell through the cracks because no one vcared about them neither at home nor at school. I am very grateful for what my children's teachers do for them, and I always thank them at the end of term.

Isn't this symptomatic of todays society? As long as both parents have to work full time to be able to support a family, some of these tasks have to fall to a third entity, be that childminder, nursery or school.
When parents are exhausted and working full time aren't they more likely to let the child have their own way etc so that they can enjoy the limited time they spend with their child?
It's like society is pushing for children to spend as much time as possible away from their parents and isn't equipped for the fall out.

Parents not accepting that their child can be wrong, have a bad day and take it out on others etc, is the issue.

I would not want some parents to be in a school classroom, out of consideration for the children.

It's very tough for parents when both have to work full time and they are forced to use school and wrap around for childcare. But I also think that parents have a responsibility to their children, to teachers and to society as a whole to raise a child that can follow basic orders, respect others and their surroundings, not hit, bite, scratch or be verbally horrible to their fellow pupils and their teachers etc etc. Basically your job as a parent is to raise an independent and socially useful adult, as far as possible within the child's own capacity. Lack of funding and a right wing media that love teacher-bashing don't help at all either.

I mean, I would have never imagined talking back at a teacher when I was a child, let alone throwing chairs around and kicking off in class if asked to do work.

People aren't taking responsibility for their actions. They're entitled and lazy. It's fun being pregnant and having a baby to play with, but once the novelty wears off, they can't be bothered to train the child they have because it's boring, difficult and hard work. They only want the fun part and are probably aware of this on some level and feel a bit guilty, which they then take out on teachers, others in authority etc.

People like this are going to be totally useless when they reach adulthood. Employers won't put up with this behaviour. They'll be thrown out on their ears. People make excuses for them - SEN, anxiety etc., but my two have autism and ADHD and have grown into responsible young people. I worked my backside off to guide them through though and they received zero SEN help from the authorities.

This is so bad. Parents try to avoid this behaviour too when aiming for certain schools.