If you're taking Ozempic to lose a bit of weight doesn't this make you feel guilty?

[QueenieMe]

The Weight Loss Chat board feels like it's been taken over by Ozempic threads at the moment, with everyone and their aunt spending a fortune on injections to lose weight. Yet I've just seen Diabetes UK has issued a warning saying that diabetic patients are struggling to get supplies because of the demand. For them, taking the drug is not a lifestyle choice! I do appreciate there are those on the WLC board who are clinically obese and are taking it because their weight is impacting their health, but when I see women with normal BMIs saying they're taking it to lose that last stubborn stone I do despair. Knowing patients were struggling for supplies so I could fit in a bikini make me feel so guilty that I just couldn't do it. I'd love to hear their justification.

https://inews.co.uk/news/ozempic-diabetic-weight-loss-patients-drug-demand-2342119

@caringcarer I did this with my usual pharmacy but still waiting 12 days later, fingers crossed

They just take it on trust but you are supposed to give your GP name and address.

Where abouts are you. I am in West Midlands and know chemist where they can get it in for you.

Wow, there’s some judgement handwringing on here. All these people suddenly so worried about diabetics - I bet they’ve never felt so loved. Damn those fatties trying to lose weight the easy way. They need to feel the pain!!!!

I use health express and had to provide a full length photo wearing something form fitting enough to show my body shape.

Yes of course people can lie and fake weights and photos just like they can lie about pain to get painkillers at the GP or about pretty much anything else.

Processes are designed around the majority with safeguards to try to identify and appropriately react to the minority and the edge cases.

Are you serious. No everyone can make a sandwich and some soup. It's not that simple. Maybe do some volunteering before you pass such useless and offensive drivel off as advice. See how the deprived live.

Why does anyone need to justify anything to you? How about you justify your life to us all. How do you justify buying Diptyque and goose down pillows when so many people are staving in this world? You could have donated that money on Diabetes UK or some worthy charity. Burning candles can also be bad for the environment.

you are being goady and judgmental and describing it as an open debate. Are you this nasty in real life or only on mumsnet

There seems to be 3 ways to lose weight ;

1. Diet and exercise.
2. Surgery, which means you follow a enforced VLCD.
3. Ozempic or Wegovy which are designed to be used with a reduced calorie meal plan and increased physical activity. Interesting that 15-20% of weight loss is what they see as a success, based on people who weigh 16 stone ish, so around the 3 stone mark.

What I find fascinating is that the criteria for it to be prescibed privately is somewhere around my intital goal weight of 12 stone, so BMI of around 27, currently weigh 21.5 and BMI of 48.26. At 12 stone I am a size 12/14 bottom and 12 top, from memory

Not that I owe you any explanation, but I do support diabetes charities already - my godson is Type 1. And it's because of what I've witnessed him go through since his diagnosis as a child that I think it's awful that women with normal BMIs using Ozempic to shift a few lbs to get into a bikini this summer. Clearly that's you, otherwise you wouldn't be prickly about it. As I've said throughout the thread and in the title if you bothered to stop frothing enough to read, I understand why people who are clinically and morbidly obese are using it.

And I only wish I could afford Diptyque and goose down pillows! I'm a pack of 50 tea lights from Ikea kinda gal.

Now jog on and take your faux outrage elsewhere.

@QueenieMe best post I've read in a long time 🥰

I had WLS I was 18 stone at my highest weight I'm now 8 stone 13. I've smashed my target which was just upper end up of healthy bmi 11 Stone. I have to make an effort to not lose more weight now which is unthinkable to what I was like before. Its the best thing I've done food no longer controls me

I've been reading your comments on the other threads and I know how concerned you are too. But if you try to point out concerns, you get shouted down by posters like Miss Candle above. I find it awful that diabetics are struggling to get supplies while people with normal BMIs are buying it up for vanity weight loss.

I find it awful that diabetics are struggling to get supplies while people with normal BMIs are buying it up for vanity weight loss
I hear you@QueenieMe BUT anything that makes it easier to be slim is bound to cause a stampede.
Surely we should be blaming those whose duty it is to regulate these things & allocate supply to prioritize those with the greatest need?

I get what you're saying but that's easier said than done, because who gets how many supplies will be down to the manufacturer. If they make more money from these private suppliers than they do from the NHS, of course they're going to prioritise those. I can't imagine the NHS has the funds to compete.

@QueenieMe yes, I've said several times but get shot down. Some people are fine and take things on board but others just instantly go on the defensive. I've read of people starting at a BMI of 26 and saying they'll use it to get to a bmi of 22. Others have sent a photo off the internet claiming it is then, others just exaggerate the numbers. Taking it and continuin to eat McDonald's on a fairly regular basis has come up to. Batshit.

@Meixo I don't hold any judgement against WLS, it's one of the ways of losing weight, it worked for you and thats brilliant. I just get tired of people telling me that VLCD are bad when this is what WLS is all about, it physically reduces your ability to eat too much.
Wegovy/Ozempic reduce your calorie intake by reducing your appetite, it is supposed to be an adjunct, so a tool used with a reduced calorie diet and increased exercise, it isn't supposed to be a wonder drug, used on its own without any additional input from the user.

Completely batshit! I saw a poster on another thread admit they're gaming the system by putting their starting weight on every order to make sure they still get the drug, even though they've lost a lot of weight and their BMI has lowered. The supplier either hasn't twigged or doesn't care.

Taking it and continuin to eat McDonald's on a fairly regular basis has come up to
doesnt surprise me, people will try to have their cake and eat it (or rather eat cake and stay slim) if they think they can, humans are always looking for a way to get the best of all worlds

I don’t take Ozempic, but I do take Saxenda which is similar. Been on it for 5-6 weeks and lost 6kg / 13lbs

I have an under-active thyroid, perimenopausal etc and I just can’t seem to lose weight like I did in my 20’s and 30’s. The only success I had was on a 1200 calories diet but the hunger I experienced on it meant I could only stick to the diet for 2-3 weeks. Being on Saxenda means I can stick to my healthy eating plan and not be clock-watching for my next meal.

I just want to get back to a healthy weight range so I can bump up my fitness to a more intense level. I’m already starting to feel better / healthier.

I was never a “fat” person my entire life. I was a size 8-10 until I hit 40. Covid didn’t help.

I guess the reason VLCDs are seen as bad is because they involve tolerating a certain amount of discomfort, ditto exercise, mostly people shun & avoid physical exertion, we are kind of hard wired that way, we'd never have survived as a species if our ancestors squandered their stored body fat by running marathons for fun

I think anything other than being in a calorie deficit via calorie counting and exercise is seen as not depriving yourself of anything and requiring less effort in one way or another and therefore preferable. If you can eat all the meat and fish and eggs and cheese that you want and lose weight then that will seem great to some people. I enjoy weighing and counting and exercising so it has worked for me. I put on weight because I ate too much despite being very active, pure and simple. I tried excusing the extra pounds (14 of them) as peri-menopause but I was only fooling myself because as soon as I started logging my food and drink intake it was obvious my portions were too big and I was eating too many nutritionally void foods. I've changed all that and eat better and less. Well, most of the time I eat better., and have lost over 2 stone. My BMI has gone from 26 something to 21. I can't eat big portions anymore and my mindset has totally changed. Someone else will find that totally impossible and will need other methods but like pp says whatever method is used a calories deficit is achieved.

WLS is completely different to a VLCD one you don't want to eat so it's not like dieting. The hunger is taken away also you have fat stores so VLCD aren't necessarily bad when you are very obese you need multivitamins and adequate protein. WLS completley resets the body , hormone secretion. You don't always stay on vlcd I have no idea what I eat I don't calorie count ever . I stay slim though I eat like a naturally slim person. I should have had it done years ago instead of wasting money on slimming clubs , vlcds and diet pills. It didn't take the hunger away. I have had really good success though I don't like sugary foods really.

Of course I'm being serious! This was about people paying for private prescriptions of £200 a month for weight loss drugs, not a post about 'the deprived'. And I see you've gone and searched my posting history which mentioned Diptyque candles and Goose feather pillows and yet still managed to berate the OP instead.

The vast majority of people can make a sandwich or some soup. Certainly in my area anyway and I volunteer with my church's food bank system. In fact a lot of people literally live on sandwiches and soup, which isn't good, obviously.

@hamstersarse I've pm'd you.