On 20 May 2023 the Conservatives will have been in power for as long as New Labour were from 1997‑2010. Who do you think achieved more during their time in office ?

[Samphiredragonfly]

Just that really.
Interested in contribution from both sides too.

They have both achieved exactly the same.

FUCK ALL

The Tories have destroyed a lot. They achieved FA.

Any New Labour achievements pale in comparison to the wonders of Brexit - the Tories' greatest achievement.....

New Labour were provided with a functional economy. They introduced tax credits fuelling personal credit and higher mortgages. They exploded PFI which is at the heart of most NHS problems. They introduced PCTs , an exceptionally expensive layer of bureaucracy. They reduced waiting lists, principally by not allowing people to be referred. They introduced 28 day prescribing. They closed down any debate about the NHS and threw money at something that was at heart dysfunctional.

They engaged in an illegal war. They did not renationalise anything.

The Lib/Con coalition from 2010 to 2015 was ineffectual and did little to improve things for anyone. Cameron won outright in 2015 because he promised a referendum and then refused to accept its result due to an innate lack of respect for the electorate. BJ may have done better without Covid.

The real tragedy is that there was too little to chose between Blair and Cameron. Both overprivileged young men who wanted to run the country and I don't believe either had the courage of any political convictions at all and I don't believe either had or has a social conscience.

Functional economy maybe but not a functional infrastructure.
BJ promised loads but sadly the rest of the party that supported him were free market nutjobs.

Labour introduced the minimum wage.

That's been really important for us normal folk, and has been hard for the Tories to back away from.

Cameron didn't refuse to accept the result of the Brexit referendum in 2016. His position was untenable because he was a remainer and the result went against him. He resigned the very next day and couldn't politically have done anything different.

I think a lot of people forget that the government was pro remain due to the way the tory Party has gone since. The referendum result was incredibly embarrassing for Cameron.

Public Services were properly funded under labour. I remember the difference it made to my education and I'm furious that my kids schooling is suffering under the same level of decline that I experienced in the 90s.

Tories have achieved one thing: They have destroyed this country completely

Breaking the country

Thanks to Blair, we have thousands of young people leaving University saddled with a great debt, only to boast a degree in Mickey Mouse studies.

Not everyone should go to University despite what he says.

Tories have achieved one thing: They have destroyed this country completely

This. Shortly to disappear off into the sunset, many of them with nice bulging bank balances too.

Labour introduced sure start and reduced child poverty by a significant amount.

Some posters on here are either very young or very naive.
Labour, tory, whoever, they all piss in the same pot. No point moaning about Tories claiming huge expenses, they all do it.
Cronyism, lining their mates pockets, they all do it.
Read history back a few decades and see what governments have been up to etc.
How much money has been " wasted" blah blah blah.
I'm on the fence politically, having voting g both Labour and Tory in the past.
The only thing that people need to be grateful for right now is that Corbyn didn't win the last election........

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I agree with that @LakeTiticaca. If it wasn't for labour's blatant antisemitism, I'd give Keir a go.

To the poster uptrend who said schools and the NHS were properly funded under Labour, they really weren't. All through the late 90s and 0's my family and friends did little but listen to nurses and teachers complain they were overworked and underfunded. That's what makes it so hard for me to take the present complaints seriously.

I was no fan of New Labour, but surely it goes without saying that they achieved more than the Tories? It feels as though the Tories have spent the past 13 years siphoning off public money to their mates and I’m trying to think of a single public service that hasn’t been left in a dire state. The NHS, Education, Social Services, Transport, the Police, the justice system…

I’ve thought of one - my family had good service from the Passport Office recently, so maybe they’ve cleared their Covid backlog.

LakeTiticaca yes.

Under The Conservatives we have
Increased hospital waiting lists
Increased reliance on food banks
Increased taxes
Increased number of rapists walking free
Increased National Debt.

So the Tories did grow some stuff.

Increased immigration
Increased sewage in our waterways.

I'm going too say labour.

But, the tories were in coalition, then had covid and now Ukraine.

I do believe a lot more than good stuff would have happened without covid and now Ukraine.

However now the onus is on rushi to see what he can rustle up.

Under labour we can look forward to an increased ULEZ expansion. It's not going down well in greater London right now, with teams of people cutting down cameras as soon as they go up. I wonder how well ULEZ will be received by the public once it's spread across the country.

Increased poverty
Increased inequality
Increased homelessness

They both fucked up
In their own way !

Wasn't it labour who bought in zero hour contracts, allowing employers to fuck over their staff constantly meaning more people rely on the benefit state to top them up.

Zero hour contracts need to be banned!!

I do wonder, if brexit, covid, Ukraine hadn't happened, how the country would be now.