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Tenants asking for money at end of tenancy because they changed garden

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Pitstop1986 · 11/05/2023 18:07

Just need to hear a few opinions in this really as I'm making myself sick with worry and really don't need the stress.

I rented out my house (me and DH both had a house when we met, I rented mine out and moved in with him) to the same couple for just over 3 years. They had a 12 month contract that they renewed after every 12 months. They always told me that their intention was to stay in the house long term, and that would have been the case, although I found out that I was pregnant with our second baby, so will have 2 under 2 years old. Childcare in our area is extortionate as childminders are like gold dust and so my financial situation is going to massively change and rather than financially struggle, we have decided to sell my house to release the equity.

I tried to be as kind to the tenants as possible. I gave them 3 month's notice, but said that if they needed to extend that by a few weeks, provided that a sale wasn't about to go through, they could do whilst they were searching for a new place to live.

When they first moved in, the couple asked if they could erect a shed to keep the gentleman's motorbike in, which I agreed that they could. They have also made changes to the garden as well as putting the shed up, including removing 2 trees and putting in decking, plus removing the grass to the front of the property and putting gravel in it's place. They didn't ask me if they could do this, but kind of told me afterwards. It looked nice and I just thought as long as they are happy, it's fine with me.

When I put in notice to end their tenancy, they spoke to me and said that they had incurred considerable expense due to putting the shed upand changing the garden, so they would be out of pocket. To keep things amicable, I said that they could live in the property for the last 2 months rent free. They seemed happy about this and agreed, saying that they'd leave the shed where it is.

Fast forwards 6 weeks, they ask me to go around to the property, so I popped around after work. The gentleman tenant has told me that he is considerably out of pocket due to me asking them to leave. He said that they've had to downsize, as there was nothing of similar sized house to mine in their budget and had to move further away, meaning that his wife has had to hand her notice in at work (she works in the petrol station at the end of the road and walks to work) and they've also had to sell furniture and his motorbike. He then told me that everything that he has done to the garden has added significant value to the property as it looks so much nicer than what it was and so he should be reimbursed for everything. Taking away the two month's rent that he hasn't paid, he has asked me to pay him £2600 and if I don't pay, he's going to have to take matters further, and he said I really don't want to have to go through that.

At first I felt really sorry for him, but also I'm so angry that he agreed on 2 months rent free and now he's asking for more money. I'm also sick with worry that he's going to trash the house when he leaves. I has renovated the whole place myself and it was immaculate so I'd be heartbroken if anything happened to it.

My sister says that he wasn't entitled to a penny, even the free rent so he's just trying to play to my nice nature. I don't have the money to just pay him out, plus I don't think that I should have to pay for every screw and price of gravel that he's bought to change the garden, as it was perfectly serviceable to start with so didn't need any alterations to make it useable.

What would people do in my situation? Any advice? Sorry for the long post!

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LittlePoBeep · 11/05/2023 18:12

Cheeky fuckers! I'd tell them they are welcome to take the shed and gravel with them! They don't have a leg to stand on. Ignore them. I was renting for a few years and always spent money on the garden. That was my choice, as it was theirs,

GCWorkNightmare · 11/05/2023 18:15

You could point out that you are within your rights to insist both gardens are put back to how they were when you let the place to them, as they didn’t ask or gain permission to do the works you aren’t liable for them.

dontlookbackyourenotgoingthatway · 11/05/2023 18:15

Get a solicitor and serve s.21

I hope you protected the deposit?

If so, just get them out. They're trying to take you for a mug.

It was their decision to put all that in and technically, you could charge them for the removal.

Get legal advice.

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nicknamehelp · 11/05/2023 18:16

Well he can take shed with him. He did other bits without your approval so lucky you are not asking him to take up gravel and put turf back down. He's trying his luck stay strong and don't back down.

Gilmorehill · 11/05/2023 18:16

Did you rent through an estate agent? I think you could actually charge him for the cost of restoring the garden to its original state. Who says they have improved the garden or increased its value? Some people hate decking. Cheeky fuckers.

Redglitter · 11/05/2023 18:16

if I don't pay, he's going to have to take matters further, and he said I really don't want to have to go through that

Ignore him. What does he think he's going to do. You didn't ask him to do the garden changes. He chose to, it suited him. You've been more than generous with allowing them the free months.

RedPandaFluff · 11/05/2023 18:17

Absolute CFs! I can't believe they are trying to emotionally manipulate you like this. I think you've been more than reasonable, @Pitstop1986 - tell them they chose to make the alterations and actually you'd be within your rights to have them restore the things they didn't get your permission for back to the way they were at their own cost.

I understand you're worried they're going to trash your house, and it's always a risk, but you can make a claim against their deposit for any damage.

ILoveCakeLikeTheToriesLoveRippingTaxPayersOff · 11/05/2023 18:18

take it further to whom? He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

He can take the shed with him, and bag up the gravel if he really insists.
I'd be serving notice now and getting a solicitor involved. Do not give them a single penny.

Pointeless · 11/05/2023 18:18

I'm with your sister. Cheeky bugger. I wouldn't deliberately antagonise him now, but don't even entertain what he says. He is only saying that because he perceives a soft touch but you are not - you have been kind and considerate and he thinks he can now take the piss. No. If he trashes the place you will deal with it, but you've given him an inch and he'll keep taking if you keep giving. This is your house and you are in control and need to act in the best interests of your family. His poor decisions are his to own.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/05/2023 18:21

I have been a tenant for 21 years -all very nice houses- I don't think I've heard such nonsense in all my life- not only can you not make alterations without asking permission but the fact is if you do make them then the landlord has a total right to ask you to 'make good' and return to original state when they leave. Any court would laugh him out of town -

Bloatstoat · 11/05/2023 18:21

He's lucky you're not charging him for work done without permission, most rental contracts I've signed have included that. It's a shame for them that you're having to sell but renting is uncertain, in a private rental there are never any guarantees that you can stay. If they have chosen to leave jobs and sell possessions that's not your fault. If you pay him what he asks, where is the guarantee he won't suddenly want more? Sorry you're having such a stressful time with it OP.

SquashPenguin · 11/05/2023 18:22

I’d tell him to take his shed and gravel with him if he’s that bothered! Cheeky bastard! I spent a few quid on the garden in the last house I rented, I’d never dream of asking for the cash when I left! I don’t think legally they have a leg to stand on, plus you are within your rights to ask for it to be put back as it was when they moved in, so not worth the argument!

MayBeeJuneSoon · 11/05/2023 18:22

Can you leave settling this until he's moved out?

I'd stall. Because yes, he MAY trash the place or simply refuse to move

Or both

SarahSmith2023 · 11/05/2023 18:23

I'd tell him to get real & that he's lucky you're not making him put the property back to how it was before he changed it, without your permission! Cheeky fucker.

Do NOT be bullied by this bell end. It's YOUR property, not his.

The cack the dim wit admits he can't find a property of the same size in your area just shows he had a good deal! It's NOT your problem that they have to downsize or move a bit further out.

if he hadn't been trying to bully you into paying him, I'd feel sorry for them, but he's just made me angry now.

MayBeeJuneSoon · 11/05/2023 18:23

Ask him for all original invoices and receipts.... call his bluff

FloweryName · 11/05/2023 18:24

Complete cheeky fuckers, they’ve already had far more than they’re entitled to if you’ve given them free rent.

runningonberocca · 11/05/2023 18:24

I’m a tenant in a rental and have been renting long term . I’m very much aware that my landlord has every right to decide to sell and if he does our next place will be much more expensive. ( as he has very kindly not increased our rent over the years).
I would not dream of making changes to the property or garden without his consent. He has always been really reasonable but it is his property!
You have done nothing wrong and have been more than generous already allowing them to stay there rent free for 2 months. Don’t give them a penny more - cheeky fuckers…

CwmYoy · 11/05/2023 18:27

Tell them they are lucky you aren't making them restore the place to how it was.

The alterations were not approved beforehand.

LIZS · 11/05/2023 18:27

Not your responsibility especially as they didn't ask beforehand nor make any agreement about costs. They won't pursue it. Tell him he is welcome to take the shed. Why has she ditched her job, hardly your fault!

dizzygirl1 · 11/05/2023 18:28

runningonberocca · 11/05/2023 18:24

I’m a tenant in a rental and have been renting long term . I’m very much aware that my landlord has every right to decide to sell and if he does our next place will be much more expensive. ( as he has very kindly not increased our rent over the years).
I would not dream of making changes to the property or garden without his consent. He has always been really reasonable but it is his property!
You have done nothing wrong and have been more than generous already allowing them to stay there rent free for 2 months. Don’t give them a penny more - cheeky fuckers…

Exactly this! In my last house I was there 6 years but I refused to put new decking in and massively update the garden as I knew I wouldn't get the money back. As a tenant you don't make permanent changes!

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/05/2023 18:28

You did more than enough letting them stay there rent-free. I think what you should've done is said that when you leave I will give you a refund. You have every right to demand they remove the shed. He has absolutely no right threatening you like that.

thedogisstaring · 11/05/2023 18:28

He's being an absolute CF and you have nothing to be worried about. Serve as.21 and stop being Mrs nice guy. He's taking the piss. Tell him that decking needs maintenance and you're pissed off that they put that in without permission and you're considering your right to insist that it be put back to how it was previously, then stand back and watch the panic in his CF eyes.

Jonei · 11/05/2023 18:29

I would tell them you didn't agree to any changes to the garden, and you would be within your rights to tell them to return it back to the same state as it was, including the replacement of the trees. I presume you have protected the deposit? If so, and he damages the house, he will lose his money, and potentially risk a conviction against him for damage to your property. Did he tell you he was going to damage the house or is it just something you fear? Honestly I think being a landlord is way more trouble than it's worth.

wildfirewonder · 11/05/2023 18:30

IMO they don't have a leg to stand on.

Have you served notice legally etc?

rwalker · 11/05/2023 18:32

Tell just to put it back as it was and take everything with them