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Tenants asking for money at end of tenancy because they changed garden

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Pitstop1986 · 11/05/2023 18:07

Just need to hear a few opinions in this really as I'm making myself sick with worry and really don't need the stress.

I rented out my house (me and DH both had a house when we met, I rented mine out and moved in with him) to the same couple for just over 3 years. They had a 12 month contract that they renewed after every 12 months. They always told me that their intention was to stay in the house long term, and that would have been the case, although I found out that I was pregnant with our second baby, so will have 2 under 2 years old. Childcare in our area is extortionate as childminders are like gold dust and so my financial situation is going to massively change and rather than financially struggle, we have decided to sell my house to release the equity.

I tried to be as kind to the tenants as possible. I gave them 3 month's notice, but said that if they needed to extend that by a few weeks, provided that a sale wasn't about to go through, they could do whilst they were searching for a new place to live.

When they first moved in, the couple asked if they could erect a shed to keep the gentleman's motorbike in, which I agreed that they could. They have also made changes to the garden as well as putting the shed up, including removing 2 trees and putting in decking, plus removing the grass to the front of the property and putting gravel in it's place. They didn't ask me if they could do this, but kind of told me afterwards. It looked nice and I just thought as long as they are happy, it's fine with me.

When I put in notice to end their tenancy, they spoke to me and said that they had incurred considerable expense due to putting the shed upand changing the garden, so they would be out of pocket. To keep things amicable, I said that they could live in the property for the last 2 months rent free. They seemed happy about this and agreed, saying that they'd leave the shed where it is.

Fast forwards 6 weeks, they ask me to go around to the property, so I popped around after work. The gentleman tenant has told me that he is considerably out of pocket due to me asking them to leave. He said that they've had to downsize, as there was nothing of similar sized house to mine in their budget and had to move further away, meaning that his wife has had to hand her notice in at work (she works in the petrol station at the end of the road and walks to work) and they've also had to sell furniture and his motorbike. He then told me that everything that he has done to the garden has added significant value to the property as it looks so much nicer than what it was and so he should be reimbursed for everything. Taking away the two month's rent that he hasn't paid, he has asked me to pay him £2600 and if I don't pay, he's going to have to take matters further, and he said I really don't want to have to go through that.

At first I felt really sorry for him, but also I'm so angry that he agreed on 2 months rent free and now he's asking for more money. I'm also sick with worry that he's going to trash the house when he leaves. I has renovated the whole place myself and it was immaculate so I'd be heartbroken if anything happened to it.

My sister says that he wasn't entitled to a penny, even the free rent so he's just trying to play to my nice nature. I don't have the money to just pay him out, plus I don't think that I should have to pay for every screw and price of gravel that he's bought to change the garden, as it was perfectly serviceable to start with so didn't need any alterations to make it useable.

What would people do in my situation? Any advice? Sorry for the long post!

OP posts:
fyn · 11/05/2023 18:32

There are no matters that he can take further, you could take matters further though to recoup cost to returf and reinstate the garden. Make sure all your notices are valid and ignore.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 11/05/2023 18:33

Fuck that. You've been reasonable but the minute he starts threatening you, you stop making that effort and just do whatever it legally takes to get them out. Don't go over there again.

GrumpyPanda · 11/05/2023 18:34

MayBeeJuneSoon · 11/05/2023 18:23

Ask him for all original invoices and receipts.... call his bluff

Why on earth would she do that? He doesn't have a leg to stand on either way. Asking for receipts only obfuscates the issue and looks like a concession. She's not liable for this, full stop.

OP your sister is 100 percent correct. Did you promise them the two months free rent in writing? If not, I would reconsider this. If you refrain from making them restore the garden to its original state that's already a generous concession from your side.

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Rainbowshit · 11/05/2023 18:35

What a cheeky fucker. Don't give him any money. You'd be within your rights to ask him to return the property to how it was when they moved in.

Lifesagamethentheytaketheboardaway · 11/05/2023 18:36

He is very wrong. They actually need to put everything back as it was, and remove what they have put in.

Send him a message telling him that, and say that if they do not have the means to return the garden to it’s original state then they can leave it they way it is without incurring any fees.

Mischance · 11/05/2023 18:36

Well of course not - they did not ask your permission for the changes so they cannot expect any form of reimbursement. You are being generous with 2 months free rent - well, over-generous really.

Toomanylatenightprogs · 11/05/2023 18:37

He’ll “ take it further” — to where? They have no case under any law I can think of. They chose to make changes, they have benefitted from those changes. They could dismantle the shed and take it with them, that’s all.
I suggest you photograph the garden, gravel etc.. in case they decide to trash it. Ignore any requests for money, they’re just trying to take advantage.

TheInterceptor · 11/05/2023 18:38

If you have a standard AST it will probably say very clearly that any alterations, if not agreed to by you in writing, will have to be returned to their former stats at the termination of the tenancy. Get your copy out and check. And be tougher.

Dodgeitornot · 11/05/2023 18:40

You've done nothing wrong but I kind of see his point too. They understood it to be a long term rental and made it their home. I know it's never a guarantee in this country but tenants also get criticised for expecting everything to be done by the landlord and not taking pride in their home.

It's a sad situation and they shouldn't be expecting any payment from you, but I understand why they might be annoyed. Those changes likely improved the curb appeal of your home.

WeeOrcadian · 11/05/2023 18:42

He's chancing his arm. CF.

I'm wouldn't be paying them a penny, and pointing out that it isn't THEIR PROPERTY TO ALTER without express permission of the owner.

And tell him to shift his shed

Bobbybobbins · 11/05/2023 18:44

It's understandable they are upset but you have been generous by offering them reduction in rent. He is now chancing his arm so time to draw a line OP! 💪

CabernetSauvignon · 11/05/2023 18:47

Point out that you are entitled to claim compensation for the unauthorised alterations to your property. He would be laughed out of court if he tried to claim against you.

Dodgeitornot · 11/05/2023 18:51

Yes, I forgot to add, you've been INCREDIBLY generous offering 2 months rent free. That's unheard of.

Dodgeitornot · 11/05/2023 18:51

I suspect that offer of 2 months rent free has made him think you have ££££.

MrsPinkCock · 11/05/2023 18:51

I hope you protected their deposit OP. If you didn’t they could well end up recouping their money that way!

Shhhquirrel · 11/05/2023 18:53

LittlePoBeep · 11/05/2023 18:12

Cheeky fuckers! I'd tell them they are welcome to take the shed and gravel with them! They don't have a leg to stand on. Ignore them. I was renting for a few years and always spent money on the garden. That was my choice, as it was theirs,

This

He’s a complete chancer, frankly like so many tenants I have experienced.

tailinthejam · 11/05/2023 18:54

Don't communicate in person with them any more. Ask a solicitor to deal with it for you.

Were you renting privately or through a letting agency?

Choconutty · 11/05/2023 18:55

Can you imagine how much it would cost to get the gravel removed and grass re-instated?

I have lovely tenants, who look after the property, and I have to remind them that it's fine to tell me when things need fixing and I'll happily pay for them. In return for them being great people, I also haven't raised their rent in more than 5 years - so we're both getting a good deal - they have a rent that is extremely low for the region, and I have reliable tenants who take care of the place, and ask before they do anything/need anything done. I happily signed a 5 year lease with them because they wanted the surety, and so did I.

What your tenants have done isn't lovely. They've only committed to 12 months at a time, they've made changes without talking to you, and now they're attempting to bluff/blackmail you.

ShowOfHands · 11/05/2023 18:55

He isn't out of pocket. He's had a serviceable front garden and a place to store his motorbike. He invested, he benefited.

And the changing market and increased rents aren't your problem.

SecretsIWouldNeverTell · 11/05/2023 18:58

They haven't got a leg to stand on. Tell him you'll see them in court. Absolute bellend!

whynotwhatknot · 11/05/2023 18:58

Hes a rude fucker dont know about cheeky

as long as the deposit is in the scheme you can file to keep it to retore your garden back-they changed it it wihtout consent

GoodChat · 11/05/2023 19:03

I agree. Tell him he can go as agreed or you can keep his deposit in order to restore the garden back to its original condition. His choice.

strawberry2017 · 11/05/2023 19:05

He chose to spend the money on a house he doesn't own. More fool him.

bigdecisionstomake · 11/05/2023 19:06

Just to echo what others say (I work in lettings) tenants should not do any work to a property without the express permission of the landlord. If they do then you are perfectly within your rights to ask them to put it back to how it was, at their cost, or claim the amount needed from their deposit to do this.

I think you've been really generous giving them two months rent free as it is them who are in the wrong not you. In terms of 'taking it further' they would have to prove in court that you agreed to the works and to compensate them if you tried to gain possession within a certain timescale. I'm assuming from what you've said that they won't be able to provide a court with evidence that such an agreement was in place?

You are right to be concerned about the condition they may leave the property in. Hopefully you are spot on with all your paperwork if you need to either claim from the deposit or take them to court to recoup any losses if the deposit isn't sufficient.

MissingMoominMamma · 11/05/2023 19:10

They removed two trees???!!!