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Is the Covid pandemic over?

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WrinklesShminkles · 05/05/2023 15:36

Can anyone translate this from the World Health organisation?

Statement on the fifteenth meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic (who.int)

Statement on the fifteenth meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) Emergency Committee regarding the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic

The WHO Director-General has the pleasure of transmitting the Report of the fourteenth meeting of the International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR) Emergency Committee regarding the coronavirus 2019 disease (COVID-19) pandemic, held on Friday 27 Januar...

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2023-statement-on-the-fifteenth-meeting-of-the-international-health-regulations-(2005)-emergency-committee-regarding-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-19)-pandemic

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1dayatatime · 05/05/2023 22:08

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

"Yes, covid has a huge impact on the cardiovascular system."

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Whilst you are correct in the link between Covid and the current excess deaths of 30,000 a year from cardiovascular disease, a far bigger impact has been from:
Rise in obesity and type 2 diabetes and that the average ambulance response times for suspected myocardial infarctions have risen to 48 minutes in England, against a target of 18 minutes, while a record 346 000 people were on a cardiac care waiting list in England as at August 2022.

The British Heart Foundation chief executive, Charmaine Griffiths, said, “Despite the best efforts and commitment of NHS staff, millions have been unable to access routine care, record numbers continue to wait longer and longer for heart tests and procedures, ambulances are taking far too much time to reach heart attack patients, and there have been tens of thousands more deaths than expected involving cardiovascular diseases—with no end in sight "

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 05/05/2023 22:28

Covid is of course also a cause of type 2 diabetes and of its acceleration

It is a major driver for the rise in cardiovascular disease

And yes, the NHS is struggling with the rise

memoriesofamiga · 05/05/2023 22:41

My health has suffered as a result of the Covid vaccine in 2020, I had some pretty horrible side effects that have never gone away and i was perfectly healthy before then. Getting any kind of diagnosis from a GP has been impossible as they refuse to make any kind of connection. So for me Covid hasn't gone away because of this.

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BarelyLiterate · 05/05/2023 22:53

The covid pandemic in the UK has been over for more than a year, since Boris made the brave & correct decision to remove all restrictions in February of last year. Many people criticised this decision at the time, but time has proved him right about this, even if he got plenty of other things wrong.

Greenfairydust · 05/05/2023 23:06

It ended when people stopped believing in/accepting the charade of pointless lockdowns & useless masks...

I am not downplaying the fact that the virus certainly affected certain groups of people really badly but the majority of us it was never a threat and the response to it was frankly insane.

WHO is finally catching up.

I personally think that the NHS backlog (people with conditions that were not diagnosed and treated during lockdowns which led to worse outcomes), the effect of repeat lockdowns on mental health & the immune system and the poverty caused by the damage to the economy have done more harm than the virus itself.

The response to Covid was a sad example of collective madness and hysteria and governments that were only too willing to control their population, and politicians who used the pandemic as an opportunity to make money with shady deals.

Jourdain11 · 05/05/2023 23:58

A lady I worked with was diagnosed with breast cancer during ths pandemic. Because a lot of her scans and things were cancelled or delayed, they found out it was a very aggressive type only several months later. By that point it was already terminal. She died last year.

LuluBlakey1 · 06/05/2023 00:23

It is an established condition that can now be managed- presumably because of the effect of vaccines. So it hasn't gone away but is not overwhelming populations in its severity. Like flu- it's here, people will get it, some will become very ill, most won't- as long as we continue to manage any new strains.

lemonchiffonpie · 06/05/2023 00:55

It quite clearly states that they are shifting from a view of the pandemic as a world health emergency to long-term management of the pandemic. The pandemic is not over. You can of course pretend it is, and live with the consequences of that position.

Peachmangolemon · 06/05/2023 01:00

1dayatatime · 05/05/2023 16:05

Whilst Covid itself maybe over the impact of the measures taken against it will be with us for a very very long time:
£450 billion of extra Government debt that fuelled inflation and now means there is no money left for nurses or teachers.
A generation of children whose education has been impacted.
Missed cancer and heart disease diagnosis (cardiovascular deaths are at a record high)

Etc etc

I believed at the time and continue to believe that the economic impact and excess deaths associated with the Covid measures will cause more damage & deaths than the disease itself.

Eventually history will look back on the Covid pandemic as an episode of self harm, global mass hysteria and mass panic.

Very well put. History will not look favourably upon the reaction to dealing with this virus.

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 06/05/2023 01:09

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 05/05/2023 15:48

No longer a health emergency officially.

however the excess deaths figures for this year are concerning, as is the rise of sickness absences from the workplace.

But people don't want to talk about the continuing impact (funny that)

Long term this is what concerns me the most, yes Covid may not be a health emergency per se, but the long term effects are slowly starting to emerge. Anyone else surrounded by people on their 3rd or 4th ‘cold’ this year? Before any antivaxxers latch on- it’s both vaxxed and unvaxxed repeatedly getting whatever it is that’s going round. Long Covid is going to get worse as people get their 5/6/7th infection, studying the effects of repeated infection may be quite the interesting topic…

Swansandcustard · 06/05/2023 01:16

Just starting to feel better…haaackk coooough…

is it a cold or was I lucky?

if it isn’t Covid, it will be something, soon, too many bodies on the planet doing too many wrecky things.

Helpmepleasesoworried · 06/05/2023 01:16

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr what on earth are you basing this on?

lemonchiffonpie · 06/05/2023 01:34

History will not look favourably upon the reaction to dealing with this virus.

Perhaps not in the way you mean.

Mr Tedros said there was a “tragedy” in how Covid was handled globally.
“One of the greatest tragedies of Covid-19 is that it didn’t have to be this way. We have the tools and technologies to prepare for pandemics better, detect them earlier, respond to them faster, and communicate their impact.

“But globally, a lack of co-ordination, a lack of equity, and lack of solidarity meant that those tools were not used as effectively as they could have been.
We must promise ourselves and our children and grandchildren that we will never make those mistakes again”.

GoldenAye · 06/05/2023 02:19

@1dayatatime

Eventually history will look back on the Covid pandemic as an episode of self harm, global mass hysteria and mass panic

The WHO statement says the world should now move from emergency global management of the COVID pandemic to localised, country-based management in the long-term. This shouldn't be interpreted as 'the pandemic is over'. It merely marks a fresh stage - a welcome one, but not the end just yet.

As for statements such as yours, consider just how much hysteria and mass panic there might have been without any measures such as the shutdown of flights, isolation periods for the sick, traveller quarantine, and the eventual introduction of the vaccine. Things would have turned out very different.

Japanesejazz · 06/05/2023 02:27

It’s a virus
it will continue to evolve until it has killed every susceptible target
Then it won’t be a problem anymore
You can have a thousand vaccinations, but it will always evolve faster
Mother Nature is the most powerful force on earth

Aposterhasnoname · 06/05/2023 04:42

1dayatatime · 05/05/2023 16:05

Whilst Covid itself maybe over the impact of the measures taken against it will be with us for a very very long time:
£450 billion of extra Government debt that fuelled inflation and now means there is no money left for nurses or teachers.
A generation of children whose education has been impacted.
Missed cancer and heart disease diagnosis (cardiovascular deaths are at a record high)

Etc etc

I believed at the time and continue to believe that the economic impact and excess deaths associated with the Covid measures will cause more damage & deaths than the disease itself.

Eventually history will look back on the Covid pandemic as an episode of self harm, global mass hysteria and mass panic.

This

eurochick · 06/05/2023 05:09

Japanesejazz · 06/05/2023 02:27

It’s a virus
it will continue to evolve until it has killed every susceptible target
Then it won’t be a problem anymore
You can have a thousand vaccinations, but it will always evolve faster
Mother Nature is the most powerful force on earth

You do realise covid isn't the first virus to affect humans, right?

Zippedydoo123 · 06/05/2023 06:02

Now WHO has declared covi d officially over I presume no more boosters will be offered?

Me and ds were lucky in that we never caught covid.unless we were asymptomatic of course.

Harebrain · 06/05/2023 06:17

It’s been over for 18 months so far as I’m concerned.

x2boys · 06/05/2023 07:44

Zippedydoo123 · 06/05/2023 06:02

Now WHO has declared covi d officially over I presume no more boosters will be offered?

Me and ds were lucky in that we never caught covid.unless we were asymptomatic of course.

Covid itself will never be over so I assume they will continue to offer vaccines to all those so they feel are priority .

SheilaFromDownUnder · 06/05/2023 08:08

shivawn · 05/05/2023 16:34

Yes, things are back to normal and thank goodness for that.

Well no, they aren't ever going back to pre-pandemic conditions. There are now an extra 5000+ hospital beds and 200 ventilators in use in the UK everyday due to COVID. These need to be staffed by doctors and nurses that have to come from somewhere, hence the flow on effect to waiting lists for all healthcare. Every year the number of deaths from COVID and "unexplained" excess deaths will continue to be significant. 10% of infections (not people, infections) result in long COVID or new conditions triggered by COVID, impacting staffing everywhere from cafes to schools to factories.

But yay! COVID is over!

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 06/05/2023 08:20

I’m not sure which part of my post you are referring to? The long covid part, the fact that I have friends and family members on their 3/4/5th Covid infection or my point about sickness absences increasing? These are my own general observations.

Repeated Covid infections and the impact long term I’m sure you’ll agree is a bit of an unknown for us, yes it may be mild but what does the virus itself do to our internal organs and immune systems after say 8,9 or 10 infections?

HaroldeVwilliam · 06/05/2023 08:24

Yes. Momentous day yesterday hidden by coronation!!

It's over.

I still know people who have had it and been ill but not hospital ill. It's still very much around.

ElonMust · 06/05/2023 08:26

Pfizer have made their HUGE profits. Let’s hope that the “impartial” bbc start reporting on those as much as they seem to do on oil company profits…

what a scandal

PaltnSepper · 06/05/2023 08:28

I hope boosters and vaccines become like flu ones, where you can choose to pay for one if you aren't in one of the free priority groups.

Someone mentioned above the autumn booster is for 65+. Last year, 50+ got boosters in the autumn campaign - have they decided that won't happen again for 2023? I assumed we'd have to go back to private flu jabs, but hoped covid would still be available.